Sir Roger Scruton/Dr. Jordan B. Peterson: Apprehending the Transcendent

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  1. Christian Bravery

    May 31, 2019 10:19 am

    deep insights into writing fiction here – many books dedicated to the subject fall short of the wisdom these two impart in mere off-hand comments. Brilliant. we are so fortunate to have this.

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  2. victoria doney

    June 3, 2019 1:46 pm

    Love this development so much!! 🥰⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
    A thought occurred ….community small gatherings… one person from different backgrounds. (4 or5)
    Teaches the gathering “a favorite folk song”. Simple food , song & or poetry…

    Maybe 4 or 5 songs total…
    each from different country/background
    🐥

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  3. victoria doney

    June 3, 2019 2:31 pm

    Inner building. Build the soul
    The outer follows. Not to build “in vain”🥰….

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  4. Yendi Dial

    June 3, 2019 3:24 pm

    when 2 briliant minds meet. Ecouter Sir Roger Scruton parler français est un délice https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/repliques/comment-peut-etre-conservateur

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  5. Mofix

    June 4, 2019 2:13 am

    feels kinda wierd, they take this all too seriously, i did enjoy it but it just made it more wierd than necessary, we can all wear shoes and ties but it won't make us more human, infact behaviour in this war i believe is a step towards something less humane

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  6. itsallminor

    June 5, 2019 1:57 am

    Scruton is the enlightened one of original ideas here. JP a parrot he repeats what he has heard. And often makes a simple answer a long winded convoluted response that doesnt have a answer. Basically, JP sounds smarter than he may be.

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  7. Petri Claver

    June 5, 2019 5:59 am

    It's a rare moment when Jordan Peterson looks somehow a highly comptetent student in comparison to Sir. Roger. There was something weighty about the latter. I think it is a combination of aging gracefully, having strong sense of faith, and of course his knowledge—so calm, cool, and collected. Yet there was a moment when JP was at his best. We need more of this kind of discussion. In my humble opinion, I though it must have been nerve wrecking to sit between two gaint but the moderator got to do better than that. All in all, very good discussion. Thanks 😊

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  8. Matt Kail

    June 5, 2019 8:58 pm

    This is such a tonic for the mind and soul in an age of screaming shrills. Its like intellectual camomile to see JP's Rule 9 in action: Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't. Sir Roger Scruton and Dr Jordan Peterson are two titans of reason and conservative discourse. I am now going to delete my YouGov profile before I got to bed as it has occurred to me that no one needs a never ending deluge of online bickering in their lives. And by the way, I'm sure that is the back of Douglas Murray's head in the audience foreground there – another one of the good guys of conservative thought-leadership. Night all.

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  9. Bill Tavis

    June 8, 2019 4:15 am

    two smart people but I can't really take them seriously on any of the political stuff if they're going to completely ignore the huge role that secret societies play in the mechanism of society. They are talking within the lower framework of understanding that we are taught in school in which things like Freemasons are not even acknowledged. Yet if you truly study history, Freemasons are responsible for most of the big modern revolutions, like America, France, Mexico, etc and directly instated the philosophies that these new countries would hold as their maxims. Acknowledging the roles that these groups play is the only way to have any sort of intelligent political conversation. I would recommend a video titled "Freemasonry and the Fabric of America" which is a speech given by a 33rd degree Mason and former Governor of Wisconsin.

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  10. Matt Spinto Smith

    June 8, 2019 5:53 pm

    Really enjoyed this. But isn't Peterson being a bit-postmodern in places. Invoking fiction as the hyper-real—that's Baudrillard isn't it?

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  11. Vir Quisque Vir

    June 9, 2019 2:06 pm

    23:18 – Why? Why is there a will to believe this? Resentment. Frustration. Vengeance. The more competent, more talented, more "transcendental" , puts them to shame, spotlights their shortcomings for all to see, and instead of striving to try to equal that or even surpass that, it's easier to sour-grapes that, chop it down, throw mud at it, call it "evil", make them feel "guilty". It is their sly "Will to Power", which they project unto everyone, even the innocent.

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  12. Vir Quisque Vir

    June 9, 2019 3:00 pm

    1:07:48 – How do we coax people back? Let it run it's course. Accelerate it to the dead end it is. Once people have run into the bitter end, once it breaks, a new transcendental light will shine in and people will choose of their own accord to come back – if they don't die in the process: drug overdose, suicide, reckless sex, driving, picking useless fights, etc. Being "holier than thou" will only piss them off more, make them more stubborn, more destructive of themselves and others.

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  13. Vir Quisque Vir

    June 9, 2019 3:11 pm

    1:08:48 – Growth comes through mutual dependence, not through the atomic individual or identity politics.

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  14. Mark Rymanowski

    June 9, 2019 3:35 pm

    How can we embrace the Transcendent if we have to succeed within a corrupt system. Corruption gets us ahead.
    We need to clean it up first.
    Transcendence is the icing
    on a non nutritious cake
    at the moment.
    Brilliant as these two are, it's an uphill struggle for them to improve things.
    'From the ashes we can build another day'.
    Moody Blues.

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  15. Serpentine S

    June 10, 2019 8:21 am

    Scruton cracks me up. Mussed up thick blonde hair he couldn't quite deal with after waking up, and his eyes still looking a bit puffy, half asleep. But – he has got his proper suit on. Wretched tie though. I keep wanting to change that tie!

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  16. Wiktor Wrobel

    June 23, 2019 2:59 pm

    Transcendence can be also formed by your environment and what you choose to expose yourself too and your own quest for it.

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  17. dr3amb3ing

    June 26, 2019 6:58 pm

    Such high level discussion, a shame I can't really absorb information from this unless I'm giving my undivided attention

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  18. Rule Self

    July 12, 2019 11:51 am

    if only they would call out the media for what they are – perpetrators of culture killing mind poison

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  19. KR*Stoforo

    July 22, 2019 1:19 pm

    Hello Mr Peterson, this is a very interesting discussion, thank you. I would like to bring something to your attention regarding the search for the transcendent or its concept: Plato in his youth studied with Scythians. (So did Hippocrates and Euclid, and some others.) The Scythian ethics system has different foundations, it's not about the brotherly rivalry of Romulus and Remus or Cain and Abel. In the Scythian mythology and ethics system he who supports his brother will be the winner in the sense of gaining an ethical lesson and stepping closer to the transcendent (that's my understanding). Unfortunately the Scythians were practically written out of history even though their ethics system would have a lot to teach us.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#/media/File:Scythians_shooting_with_bows_Kertch_antique_Panticapeum_Ukrainia_4th_century_BCE.jpg
    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic%5CS%5CC%5CScythian%20art_ritual%20of%20brotherhood%20Kul%20Oba%20kurhan.jpg&page=pages%5CS%5CC%5CScythians.htm&id=13558&pid=6046&tyt=Scythians&key=Scythians%2C+%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%2C+%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%96%D1%84%D0%B8%3B+skyty%2C+skify

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  20. UtubeXcalibur

    July 25, 2019 8:15 pm

    "When people loose some transcendental Faith, that they automatically fall into this great pit of resentment, to try and find the oppressor in every relationship" ~ Sir Roger Scruton. A great truth, and this fall started with the 30 pieces of silver. Something like the first bite of the "apple"

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  21. Louis Dods

    July 26, 2019 12:15 pm

    "How do we coax people back into a life which is based on the recognition of the other rather than the gratification of the self" – Scruton 1h 7m

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  22. sourcegamer101

    July 31, 2019 6:18 am

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  23. wonbadood

    August 2, 2019 11:40 pm

    The intro music was perfect. The mediator was like a pain in the hole. Is he a religious nut? BS comes to mind.
    Good conversation outside that.

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  24. Valentine Kosyak

    August 3, 2019 8:55 pm

    Wow, I never thought I would want to be known as Sir…until now.

    I am not dressed for this watching occasion… I feel I must get out of bed and put on pants and a T shirt, otherwise I offend!

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  25. Daniel Zipperer

    August 6, 2019 12:59 pm

    Thank you all for this. I have been a musician dedicated to beauty for many years with hopes of bringing joy and enlightenment to others, and now I face the challenges that you describe coursing through the very institutions and works which have inspired me all my life. Hearing you discuss this is enough in this moment. A very welcome gift!

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  26. i just wanna leave a comment on youtube

    August 7, 2019 1:47 pm

    b.. b.. but roger scruton is a racist homophobe and JB peterson is a bigot and a transphobe!!!!! literally hitler!!!

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  27. kerry lattimore

    August 7, 2019 10:42 pm

    Some of these dudes need to find a good barber. They look like unmade beds. Hahaha! I think thats rule 1.

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  28. Karl Toth

    August 8, 2019 2:46 pm

    This is what all universities were once like. Wealthy white men in sport coats sitting in an oak paneled room talking about philosophy…. and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, we have definitely lost something in the transition to a more egalitarian world.

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  29. AntPDC

    August 9, 2019 9:42 pm

    I admire Peterson enormously, but there's something about him that depresses me slightly. I think it might be his proto-Messianic evangelism; his humourless demeanour; his agitated, highly-strung earnestness. I can only take small doses of him at a time, but I do appreciate his erudition and personal courage.

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  30. Jonathan Clark

    August 10, 2019 3:47 am

    What to do with all the lazy, resentful weasels and cowards currently mis-educating our youth?

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  31. Joe24Law

    August 10, 2019 9:15 pm

    What an annoying ad this video starts with! I wouldn't even listen to that guy, much less buy anything he's selling. However, on the non-critical side, I'm sure it's a good discussion/debate, and I'm looking forward to watching it. Thanks for posting it.

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  32. OriginalLHB

    August 12, 2019 1:09 am

    Sir Roger just referenced Janacek's obscure but great late opera "From the House of the Dead" at about 1:00. Now I know I love him!

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  33. OriginalLHB

    August 12, 2019 1:19 am

    The climax of Tarkovsky's great film Andrei Rublev at the end of the penultimate scene "The Bell" visually depicts the "blowing-on-the-last-embers" of a dying soul before it soars from black and white into color and an immense scene depicting the icons that Andrei came to paint after he emerged from his very dark night of the soul. This is certainly the most perfect metaphor I have ever encountered for the way people collaborate with God in bringing about the redemption of others. This is really a transcendent discussion!

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  34. Simon Lever

    August 16, 2019 8:59 pm

    I like the idea that a conservative loves what they are familiar with. It made me wonder what a socialist loves

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  35. David Halseth

    August 18, 2019 3:36 pm

    I have found the transcendent to by quite mysterious. The Bible is full of the mysterious from the so called salvation to the atonement. Science, physics and astrophysics is filled with the mysterious such as DNA and the fine tuning of the universe. How did this all of happen and most scientists are scratching their heads now and having to deal with the possibility of that execrated Creator.

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  36. burtingtune

    August 19, 2019 9:52 pm

    What Scruton says at about 19 minutes is similar to the first stanza of Keats' Endymion:

    And such too is the grandeur of the dooms
    We have imagined for the mighty dead;

    All lovely tales that we have heard or read:

    An endless fountain of immortal drink,

    Pouring unto us from the heaven’s brink.

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  37. Wakefield Tolbert

    August 24, 2019 2:56 pm

    Though I appreciate these two thinkers (and indeed they are at the top of the game and see all the pieces and anticipate their motions on the board, for that matter) I wish we could somehow incarnate Western leaders of this caliber.

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  38. Nathan Stoddard

    August 26, 2019 2:24 am

    My god, it's so good! It's like mental masturbation!!! listening to/following along with what these two are saying is so euphoric… it "feels" so true and sounds so empirically valid.
    – Edit
    My god, the comments are great too. XD rotflmao!!!

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  39. Nathan Stoddard

    August 26, 2019 4:55 am

    Most of the time I'm right along with the conversation (thinking: "exactly!" and then almost wanting to finish their statements; only to have them say something akin to what I'm thinking) but then there are times like 43:24, where I just sit in a stupor; thinking "what is he talking about, I'm not intimately familiar with this concept." (I'm thinking to myself "maybe art? music? I dunno").
    And then as he continues to explain what he's referring to, it hits me; times like this stand as a testament to the reality that my generation and the ones that have followed since. Are (for the most part, or at least to a great degree) lacking this "common sense" understanding that an older generation takes for granted.
    For them it's as plain as day, the truth of the matter was handed down/taught to them… we, most of us; never got that.
    We need enlightenment like this talk, because once their generation passes on… it's going to be a hell of a thing to try and relearn/rediscover.

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  40. Nathan Stoddard

    August 26, 2019 6:58 am

    53:25 Watching this makes me think of the perceived position that "We" are/have become cognoscente of "the apocalypse" of our culture (just look at how popular apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic media has been in the "mainstream" over the last 10-15 years). It seems to me that "we" (well a large portion of us "those that are taking/trying to take a stand against post modernism") are collectively tired of it and ready to/trying to move on to something better (or to regain the good that was lost).

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  41. George Jarrold

    August 27, 2019 6:24 pm

    Here are 3 men of the highest intellect from 3 different countries but all sharing the same culture and language. All of this is thanks to England and the English. What a marvellous contribution to the civilized world and the civilizing of the world.

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  42. Patricio Paredes

    August 28, 2019 1:09 pm

    "The difference between a good writer and a bad writer… is that the good writer will describe something in such a way that the thing described has the soul of the reader in it".

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  43. lepauvrehomme

    August 29, 2019 5:14 am

    Who the hell on earth refers to Peterson as an intellectual? I don't dislike Peterson, but Scruton is a polymath. Peterson is pop-psychology; he's the poor man's Roger Scruton.

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  44. Dave 5400

    September 1, 2019 9:17 am

    I'm always a bit surprised that Jordan Peterson never brings up Charles Dickens' books when he talks about fictional stories that are really "compilations" of many lives. Boy, did he know how to write good stories. So good that people are still reading them 200-odd years later.

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  45. Nun Ya

    September 3, 2019 5:33 am

    Our world now – a series of snares for the purposes of servitude. Youth is now crouded out by those who learned to take advantage of naivety. The elder vampire feeding from the blood of the unwitting in an attempt to remain relevant.
    The transfer of wisdom was a failure of the greatest generation to the extent that the boomers remain the personification of self-importance. No more than theives – insistantly pursuing the future enslavement of their own grandchildren, in order to consume meaningless indulgences of today.

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  46. dayanamh

    September 3, 2019 10:00 pm

    But some people will think or say: "Is just a bunch of white privileged men talking about their resentments because the world is changing" And that's the same people who call a racist and a bigot anybody who thinks different from what they think. My point here is the irony, they don't take the time to hear to the logical and rich information they present just because of their prejudice. We are living in crazy times.

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  47. Judith Knights -Rayson

    September 5, 2019 11:17 am

    Why do people who consider thenselves to be "authorities" in their field of study, find it essential to sport such untidy hairstyles? Don't they ever wash or comb? They always give me the creeps.

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  48. The Neo-Epicurean

    September 9, 2019 1:26 pm

    All I hear is old white men complaining about their privilege being questioned by the oppressed groups who threaten their power…

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  49. Lavinia Jane Hollis

    September 19, 2019 7:10 am

    These are real intellectual people not the one you see on television now a days who pretend to be experts and academics.

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  50. Lavinia Jane Hollis

    September 19, 2019 7:13 am

    How I miss this kind of vocabulary used in every sentences, paragraphs in a dialogue. New generation of educators are completely mediocre thus producing mal-educated students or graduates.

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  51. Vindix

    September 20, 2019 6:59 am

    Here's a benign thought: wouldn't you consider Sir to be unlike Dr, as in the value world society puts upon them Sir can almost be compared to to the gender pronoun issue and Dr has an actual real value shared by everyone. All thels best with you and yours, stay strong

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  52. deilen

    September 21, 2019 3:22 pm

    The guy who introduced the conversation has a wonderful voice. He could read the entire Maths A-level course to me and I would remember it all!

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  53. BicycleRepairMan

    September 23, 2019 3:49 pm

    Sir Roger wonderfully lucid, profound, and substantial as always; that Peterson bloke mostly rambling vacuously. A true Philosopher conversing with some rather bitter ideologue. No good match… and off we go from 'transcendence' to sour 'identity politics' within half a cuppa tea … Scruton should not associate with every self-proclaimed "conservative intellectual" just because there are so few – nice display of traditionalist, gentlemanly attire and snobbish accents though.

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  54. K B

    October 1, 2019 9:25 am

    God i can't stand Peterson anymore, i find most, not all, of what he says is mumbo jumbo (edit: plain weird at times), i used to like him, but… sigh, just needed to express this, thanks

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  55. David Cormack

    October 1, 2019 5:42 pm

    Just alighted on this discussion. Mortified that no other listeners have the decency to be wearing spats.

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  56. Jose Rodriguez

    October 8, 2019 11:29 pm

    I guess there are some earthly things I love. Heavy metal 🤘🏼 and these type of conversation and the gym. HOWEVER I LOVE THE CREATOR ABOVE ALL.

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