religion — the bad parent [cc]

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[music] Going into work one morning, on the 9.15 to Charing Cross, my private train of thought was derailed when a man suddenly started shouting. When I looked up, I realised I’d clocked him earlier, when he got on. I’d seen him push his way to the middle of the compartment with unusual purpose. He’d now whipped out a bible and was shouting out passages from it. This kind of thing’s a very rare event in the UK And the passengers’ reactions make it clear why. After a few seconds, someone told him to shut up. He carried on. They told him to shut up again, and someone else told him to save it for church. In response, his voice went up a pitch. Then other people started joining in, shouting him down, telling him to take it somewhere else, this wasn’t the place for that stuff. But he carried on, eventually ditching his bible and just commanding us to get on our knees before his god, or we’d burn in hell forever. But the passengers just got louder, until they completely drowned him out. He fizzled to a stop, and the crowd died down to a kind of irritated murmur. It was quite something to witness their anger. When the train stopped at Charing Cross, the preacher went and stood to one side of the platform away from the flow of commuters. He looked shell-shocked, and seemed to start talking to himself. I walked slowly past him. He was quietly praying to his god to dispel the demons that had possessed us to reject his divine word. The fact that many of the commuters were christian seemed to elude him completely. If there was one image that encapsulated the root of all the problems I have with religion, for me this would be it. It’s the Parent-Child psychological relationship. As explained in previous videos in the series, these terms don’t refer literally to parents and children but to styles of thinking, feeling, and relating to others. We can take a Parental approach to others, using behaviours learned from authority figures in our life. We can think, feel and relate to others like we did in our childhood. Or, in Adult mode, we can be spontaneous, aware, and in the moment. In this video I’ll be exploring how Parent-Child dynamics pervade and underpin unhealthy, retrograde concepts and practice, and looking at equitable alternatives. The very idea of ‘faith’, in a religious context, carries the intrinsic notion of yielding to human authority. To allow the anomalous class of ‘supernatural’ entities into our belief system, we have to accept another human’s hearsay as reality. With the proposed entities inaccessible to our senses, there is no other mechanism. Of course, if they were accessible to our senses it would also, by definition, no longer be a matter of faith to believe they existed. Some folks still point to holy books as evidence. But books describing supernatural events, creatures and processes for which there’s again no evidence, amount to the same thing: hearsay It’s no accident that hearsay’s not admissible as evidence in court. People misremember details, people unwittingly repeat lies they’ve been told, or deliberately lie, for various reasons. Above all, people give conflicting accounts. As adults we know these flaws make hearsay an absolutely unworkable basis for the determination of reality. But when it comes to religion, many suspend all of this awareness, even though every single problem here can be clearly observed in religious contexts, especially the problem of conflicting accounts, with conflicts not only between religions, but also within them. Why is awareness suspended around religious hearsay? It’s no coincidence that religious indoctrination tends to take place in childhood, when not only are critical faculties not yet developed, but egocentricity’s at an all-time high — consistent with the message that ‘it was all put here for us’. The honourable thing to do would be to respect the child’s impressionable brain by giving it facts. If you’re going to teach the child about religion, teach it about all religions without bias, preserve all the inconsistencies without excuse or rationalisation, and make it clear that these are beliefs, not facts. Of course what we tend to see is very different, with distinctive patterns of coercion and reinforcement, rewarding expressions of belief, and discouraging and punishing awkward questions and non-participation. Beliefs are taught as fact, inconsistencies are denied, and other religions are dismissed or even demonised — if indeed they ever get mentioned. One of several iconic terms to emerge from George Orwell’s novel 1984 was ‘doublethink’. It referred to the acceptance of two conflicting ideas, in contrast to cognitive dissonance, where the conflicting ideas arouse conscious tension. An example of doublethink in the novel was where workers, who were ordered to falsify public records, would then believe their own forgery. There’s more than a whiff of doublethink about the parent who employs all these manipulations on their child, then claims it was free to believe what it liked. But then we see examples of doublethink everywhere in religion. We see popes, who’ve enjoyed the shelter of backdated papal infallibility since 1870, despite contradictory stances on a broad range of subjects. We see claims of eternal moral values, despite the assertion of diametrically opposed moral positions. We see psychopathic behaviour like genocide and perpetual torture exhibited by beings characterised as supremely loving. Unfortunately, with the child’s critical faculties initially absent, then actively suppressed, the seeds for doublethink are off to a great start. Of course children aren’t the only targets for proselytisation. Returning to the preacher on the train, we see the same Parent-Child psychological relationship attempted on adults. Of course when it comes to dogma, your strategies are limited. The foundation for dogma is authority, and a respectful, equal Adult exchange is out of the question. Hence we see the preacher talking down to adults like school children. The trouble is, to get compliance, the target has to accept the instigator as a legitimate authority. What the preacher failed to grasp is that we’re none too likely to accept some belligerent stranger as an authority. Ironically, he did succeed in getting Child responses — just not the compliant Child he hoped for. Rebellious Child responses are easily aroused by this kind of bumbling grab for authority, resulting in scorn and insults. His severe breach of socially appropriate boundaries also predictably elicits Parent responses, bringing the offender back into line. The preacher’s command to get down on our knees brings up another Parent-Child transaction: worship. Some folks have a hard time imagining a worship-free life. Hence the misapprehension that atheists must be worshipping something, probably themselves. Leaving aside the trouble of worshipping things whose existence can’t even be demonstrated …. There’s a fatal flaw in the whole notion of worship. Nothing needs to be worshipped. In fact these days, we’re realising that the kind of stupendous egotism that requires genuine worship is by and large driven by crippling inadequacy. This leaves worshippers in a strangely redundant position — fulfilling a need that simply doesn’t exist. But still some persist, claiming the act of worship benefits us, not gods. They say it makes us appreciate our good fortunes. But worship isn’t necessary for that either. I can sit here and consider my good fortunes without any thought or action remotely resembling worship. Then of course the judgements come. Declining to humble myself is taken as arrogance. But this highlights a false dichotomy, missing a balanced middle ground where we neither have to inflate ourselves nor reduce ourselves. The adult ground where we’re actually good enough as we are. The preacher’s ability to rationalise away his own shortcomings by demonising the commuters, highlights a peculiar strategy for evading personal responsibility. Christian A regularly sermonises against various social groups with hideously sweeping statements about their immorality. But then one day, His own morality gets called into question, through some personal transgression. Maybe the embezzlement of charity funds, or revelations of links to escort services. He tries to cover up. Christian B comes forward — she confirms his transgression and encourages him to come clean. Christian A now attempts to assert that, by exposing him, she’s damaged his ability to spread god’s word. He actually rationalises his own transgression into an accusation that Christian B has acted against their god. So the line ‘It’s not me you’re against, it’s god’ is used to avoid responsibility for personal failure and transgression. But it’s also used by some who claim to speak directly for their god, pumping up their own Parent authority to divine levels. It’s particularly useful when the goal is anti-social in nature. When it becomes a matter of human judgement — the case is lost. These three positions are bound to lose in rational argument because they all hinge on prejudice. Like dogma, irrational prejudice relies on authority. The Parent-Child psychological elationship can be a positive environment. The parent’s controlling side can provide crucial information about appropriate boundaries, allowing the child to integrate and function socially with others. The parent’s nurturing side comforts and encourages the child, assisting its emotional and intellectual development and independence. And that’s the crucial point here: independence. The child becomes an adult. The parent is preparing the child for this important transition. To seek to keep someone in a persistent infantilised state is to thwart that natural development. When I announced my atheism as a child, there were tensions for a while. Those around me took the ignorant view that many theists take towards atheists. They mistook my position for a Rebellious Child position. It took time but eventually it sank in that I was coming from a rational position, and the dynamic shifted. And in adult life, in the UK, religion’s been a non-issue. Why? Well, over here, pushing your religion on others has generally been considered quite crass and vulgar. Religion’s been a predominantly private, personal matter — with an inward focus, on one’s own beliefs. With the expansionist fundamentalist theists I’ve experienced online in the last 3 years, the focus is firmly outward — everyone else must change to fit in with them. The behaviour I’ve witnessed has been aggressive, intolerant and judgemental. The fact that the behaviour’s so extreme that it totally negates the religion it claims to promote, is no big surprise — just more doublethink. What’s interesting to me though is that we see exactly the same processes I witnessed with the train preacher. We see the fundamentalists’ same disregard for others with different beliefs — and even sometimes those with the same beliefs. We see the same controlling, condemning Parent attitude. We see the same predictable reactions against such arrogance. We see the same rationalisations from fundamentalists that it’s not them that people are reacting against, but their god. We see the same increase in pitch and escalation of tactics to establish dominion — although, unlike the preacher, this time it’s not just a case of talking louder. We see the rise of faith schools, where pseudo-teachers teach pseudo-biology, then proudly announce that 100% of their students have rejected scientific fact for creationist myths. We see horrendous, abusive religious camps run by power-hungry demagogues who see children as pawns in a religious arms race. Who describe children as ‘useable’. Who openly admit they want to see children laying down their lives for their religion. And we see the nauseating results, as the children’s minds are sullied with their vile prejudices. We see the burning of flags and books — attempting to push others into a fearful, compliant Child position, but just like the train preacher’s inept fear-mongering, provoking rebellion and anger instead. Spot the theme? It’s of course the way of things that those who feel entitled to privileges don’t surrender them easily. Luxury becomes necessity, and the prospect of introducing an equitable balance can leave those who’ve taken more than their fair share of power feeling somehow deprived. With every single reclamation of equal rights in history, we’ve seen the campaign of resistance that’s swelled up in reaction. Attempts to characterise the rebelling underclass as a sickness, a virus to be squashed. We see them cast as uncompromising and militaristic. These characteristics are currently being attributed to atheists, with the oxymoronic term ‘fundamentalist atheism’. But systems of oppression can’t be maintained. People might start out submitting to abuse, if that’s all they’ve known. But it’s in our nature to grow. The child grows and the social group grows. With increasing experience comes the creeping awareness that this abuse is not the inevitable order of things — that indefensible inequities have been perpetrated on them. And that the power they’ve given away can be taken back. If we’re to grow up as a species, we need to address the systems that infantilise us. Not just religious infantilising systems, but infantilising social systems that perpetuate prejudice and discrimination, and infantilising governments — by which I don’t just mean obvious dictatorships, but also the sly, insidious Parental states who encourage us to surrender successive freedoms, on the false pretext of increasing security against fears they themselves promote. Life is chockfull of uncertainties, ambiguities, insecurities. Dealing with that by submitting to Parent-Child systems is moving backwards, not forwards. I un-humbly submit that we’re better off neither inflated nor diminished, but standing tall, at our full Adult height.

 

100 Responses

  1. marganon

    October 3, 2015 10:18 am

    Very powerful, very astute transduction of TA into the concepts of social norms and philosophy. I applauded most of what you said herein. Ah, but my beloved Socrates always said (through Plato), "Define your terms." I must ask what exactly you mean when you say "Atheism." I will be frank – I dislike those that self-identify as Atheists. I'm not going to call you a "cunt" for so doing, but I will argue that if by Atheist you mean the systematic denial of any superior spiritual being/intelligence/force, in addition to those proffered by more formalized religions, and furthermore have the audacity to define that dogmatic denial as being equivalent to the Adult ego state, then I say to you that you are a "Bad Adult." If you have read the existing literature about TA more deeply (e.g., Born to Win by James and Jongeward), you should know that each ego state has a resonance with itself and the other two, fundamentally resulting in what is in effect 9 ego states. IMHO, Atheism is not fact a pure Adult state, but is a joint project of Parental part of the Child, the Child part of the Parent, and those resonances within the Adult.

    My point is that if you are claiming true "Adult" status, you would be more semantically accurate to use the term Agnostic, because matters of spirit do not fall within the pure realm of what can be scientifically verified and thank God for that! LOL. But seriously, our perceptual faculties as Earth dwellers are waaaaayyy too limited to make such sweeping judgements. We only see a small fraction of electromagnetic spectrum, just to give one minuscule example, and what of the new findings of quantum physics on the nature of consciousness and its impact on the outcomes of experiment? What about our "Junk DNA" and all the parts of the brain we supposedly don't use? Atheism has a "Parental" agenda of its own which originates from the scientific and academic communities that also seeks to implement the same type of doublethink you (rightly) accuse religion of fostering.

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  2. marganon

    October 9, 2015 9:29 am

    OK, but the key to your argument is the absence of "the case for gods." (whatever "gods" may indeed be, in or out of religious context.) And what court of inquiry does this case exist in? Science? No. Our puny science at this point in the history of our species by definition does not have the ability to prove or disprove such things. Have you looked at some the new images from the Hubble telescope lately? Maybe no "proof," but certainly a ridiculously large volume of evidence to suggest a superior being/intelligence/force of some sort. The universe seems to follow repeating fractal forms in its structure. Does a godless (i.e., random, no guiding intelligence) universe follow a mathematical pattern? What is dark matter/energy? We just don't yet know enough about this marvelous existence to make such judgements.

    But let's get polemics and spirituality out of this, though. My issue personally is that your equation, Atheism = Adult Ego State, is not quite accurate. Please reread the TA literature. A true pure Adult state is only looking for truth and nothing more. It is attempting to balance the uninformed drives of the child with the mindless reflexive limitations of the Parent. The purest Adult state does not assume that anything is proven or disproven a priori. Atheism is the resonance of the Child and Parent within the Adult. Parental because it retards inquiry based on what is assumed in context (in this case scientific, I assume) to be a true limitation, and Childish because it wants to follow the guiding hand of the Parent without making its own inquiry. Cheers, mate.

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  3. Take Off Your Blinkers

    October 23, 2015 9:22 am

    Funny how this video has more dislikes than the whole playlist put together.
    Clearly this must be Satan at his finest, giving logic and psychology the rationale to brainwash all but a few chosen lucky Yahweh (insert any other God here) worshipers
    Nothing gets by them ;).
    Shit! I hope I'm not playing ones of those games you mentioned…
    Damn! did it again… Hiding behind Sarcasm…
    God will this ever end aarrgh!

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  4. sasa jELisavac

    November 10, 2015 11:16 pm

    THE FACTS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT US:

    There are couple things that made us into a society….
    And all of those "couple" come from Bible.All basic laws, our culture, our way of life, freedom, its all from there….
    Needless to say, science, mathematic, history, its all there, anyone that study social ethic of any western country, its basically re-written Bible…
    Our society stands upon those laws, our culture exists because of it, our way, moral, ethics, pretty much all "we" are…….
    So , to use knowledge
    that was given out of it, to call upon freedom that you received out of it, and to talk "ethical" about it, using that very same knowledge brought up, and still claim:
    "I don't believe", raises a question:
    Its impossible to live in this society, knowing all that, and not believing….
    So, do you refuse that knowledge, asking for something else, or do you really live in "this" society, claiming you "do not believe" in it?

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  5. Johnny Anonyme

    December 16, 2015 4:55 am

    I just watched your TA series and wanted to say thanks for making these videos. They are a useful introduction to Berne's model. You obviously spent quite a bit of time on research and building the videos themselves. I appreciate the obvious investments made here. Thank you!

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  6. jfk60

    December 19, 2015 8:58 am

    Atheists worship nothing…. But don't call them nihilists!

    Seriously, is there anything stupider than atheism?

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  7. Ramaraksha

    December 26, 2015 2:02 am

    Just a little bit of rational reflection – What impression did that man shouting in the train give us? A Slave? A Slave talking about his master and if you don't kneel to the master, master will get angry and will punish you. But if you kneel to the master and grovel a bit, master will be pleased and will reward you
    Basically in the 21st century, the dominant religions are Master/Slave religions – these religions were born when Kings/Strongmen ruled with an iron fist. Brought before the Master, Slaves/Servants got down on their knees, shaking with fear, swore undying loyalty and begged for his mercy and protection. That is what you are witnessing here
    It is sad that this is the best we can do in the 21st century – a slave mind, hoping for a reward like a dog

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  8. Karim El Ashry

    January 23, 2016 2:49 pm

    I loved this TA series, it's a real eye opener to me.
    Can you suggest a couple of movies or a TV series,
    where i can vividly see the"games" in action.
    It will help me further understand and use the concept.
    Thanks 🙂

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  9. Gandaleon

    March 3, 2016 5:07 am

    The fact, that spiritual leaders often like to be addressed as "father" and reversely call their flock their "children" supports your theory, that religions tend to have an infantilising effect on their followers. For an outsider it is really absurd (and kind of inappropriate), to see an elderly person refer to their young pastor as "father".

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  10. MsDjessa

    March 18, 2016 10:21 pm

    08:00 Karen Armstrong talked about this in her book A History of God. Which was about the history and various denominations and ways of thinking in the three major book religions. How some religious philosophies can become dangerous when a person simply uses them to justify their own personal bigotry.
    In other words: "I don't hate this and that group of people, God does!"
    I don't know how well I really explained that.

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  11. David Jackson

    May 2, 2016 6:59 pm

    I just finished this video, which I think was the 6th in the TA sequence? I'm very impressed. Revisiting TA at this point in my life seems like a good idea. Thanks for providing such useful videos explaining it! Oh, and I wonder if the train preacher also wanted to be a martyr and "die for his Lord"? I couldn't agree more about "parental governments"! Thanks again!

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  12. Jonah Ankin

    May 5, 2016 4:06 pm

    Genuinely one of the best videos I've ever seen on this subject. The explanation is perfect and very thorough.
    Coming from someone who isn't an atheist, by the way.

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  13. John Brown

    May 6, 2016 2:30 pm

    Talk about games! The author is bashing religion under the guise of Transational analysis, all the while making numerous unsubstantiated statements, from his own worked view. Free yourself, sir, just say what's on your mind. Leave TA out of it.

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  14. Mister Id

    May 10, 2016 9:19 pm

    I now think of this video every time I drive past a guy on the side of the road with a sandwich board and a megaphone ranting about the end times.
    I live in America so it's about once a week.

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  15. Ch B

    May 12, 2016 12:47 pm

    my analysis of the situation and concept.SITUATION: there are not very many quiet compartments in a tube/trainCONCEPT: The person with the belief book in his hand is just using a permutation of attitude/behaviour actions very much like for a birthday you should have a cake, a small knife to cut it and some candles so u can light up and blow it. But if too many people shout in that train then he should have stopped. CONCLUSION: I agree with the nice TA, but would modify a bit to suit 'my types'

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  16. DarkSaiyan

    July 21, 2016 11:46 pm

    I enjoyed the video very much thanks.
    I agree with your religious teaching model. it's a dream of mine to open a facility that could teach people about all religions factually.

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  17. Differ Dog

    August 3, 2016 11:54 am

    It was Joseph I felt sorry for. He ended up married to a woman who, even after he married her would not allow him to have sex. She then had an affair and instead of admitting it, she told her husband that it was a virgin birth.
    Joseph, to keep his wife and keep the peace goes along with this, probably because he loved her. This resulted in Joseph and Mary bringing up Jesus, telling him that he was the son of God.
    They produced this precocious child who told anybody that would listen to him, that he was the son of God. None of the religious people of the time believed him, he was rejected by them and the authority figures of the time crucified him.
    There is no mention of him having friends, he probably got bullied at school, poor kid.
    The moral of the story is that you should not lie to children.
    Joseph should have told Mary he wanted a divorce. Christianity would not have occurred. No concept of heaven or hell, no big brother in the sky, sounds like heaven on earth.

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  18. GeatMaster

    October 18, 2016 2:46 am

    The worship thing made me realize that while ancient aliens conspiracy is even less substantiated than actual religions, it's most consistent with the desires of a god. E.g. an artificial super intelligence may need constant approval from life to avoid shutting down, as a safety mechanism of some sort.

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  19. christopher atkinson

    December 18, 2016 3:13 am

    I was flogged as a child for my belief that there is no god I was only 5 when this started and continued till i was ten by both my parents and the father of the church my parents went to as I grew up I found no evidence for god or gods even though I gave it many chances for many religions and as I found out the historical evidence on why there is no god or gods my belief became concrete in my thinking.

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  20. Zoda Ken

    June 10, 2017 8:30 pm

    "Atheists claim in absolute terms that there is no Absolute." Reductio ad absurdum, QED.

    Enjoyed the video, but the stance in support of Atheism is Agnostic and lacks Gnosis of the true situation:

    "NOTHING needs to be worshipped" – Agreed. Yet,

    God = NOTHING

    QED

    Neutral Monism is The Omega Point of Perennial Theosophical Hermeneutics.
    Transactional Analysis is based on Kabbalah and Neutral Monism.

    All Authentic Spiritual Approaches and Ancient Wisdom Traditions are predicated upon Neutral Monism, including Transactional Analysis.

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  21. Todd Boothbee

    June 28, 2017 5:35 am

    I've often found this transactional model useful to think with. Thanks for using it in this context of religious games people play. I suspect that you may have made a video of God and Borderline personality disorder–though I think that God acting psychopathically, as you mentioned, sums it up better.

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  22. J A Kristiansen

    August 30, 2017 8:52 am

    I think the 'right to not insult' is defiantly child/parent behaviour, the religious throw their toys out of the pram and in an effort appease the child we make concessions.

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  23. Edward Kelly

    September 13, 2017 3:21 am

    The worst thing a Christian preacher ever did that made me reject Christianity was to tell me at 9 years old that my mother was going to burn in hell because she was a Roseacrusisn

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  24. Neale Baxter

    September 27, 2017 9:41 pm

    Very well presented and informative video. I've only recently discovered TheraminTrees series of videos and will certainly be viewing more of them. I don't know if a video has yet been made on religious sophistry, but if there isn't, may I offer this as a suggestion.
    Keep up the good work. Thumbs up … again!

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  25. KellyKSM1974

    October 1, 2017 10:46 am

    "That fact that many of the commuters were christian seemed to allude him completely." That's one of the many factors that show that what he's doing has nothing to do w/ his god & more to do w/ him. He even alienates his own. It's almost as if he's saying: "If I don't know what you believe then you don't believe what I do." That's self-absorbed. The behavior has "cluster B" written all over it…specifically narcissism & borderline…they infantilize the most & have major control issues.

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  26. Peppermint Gal

    October 5, 2017 3:04 am

    Tai Lopez keeps showing up as ads, and its interesting to watch how manipulative he is. He hands you a problem via power of suggestion, ("maybe you're in a tough position in life right now,") establishes trust/empathy, ("I used to be like you,") and then sells you a solution.
    Wish this guy would get flushed down the drain. Can't wait for them to discover he's committing tax fraud or something.

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  27. coweatsman

    October 18, 2017 10:43 pm

    I don't like the idea of burning books but I do not attribute the same value to flags. I do not put flag burning in the same camp as book burning. I see no value in flag worship, or in pledges.

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  28. Rosanna Miller

    February 9, 2018 9:33 pm

    Fear-mongering, miseducation, indoctrination, prejudice, dogma, self-worship, superstition, double-think are also tools that Atheists use!! Go ahead and deny it.

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  29. Joe Whittaker

    April 26, 2018 11:30 am

    As both a faithful adherent to biblical Christianity and, a parent to a 2 year old, I'd love to have a discussion about the topic of this video. Some of it is quite challenging to me.

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  30. Alexandre Boga

    May 26, 2018 10:19 pm

    'If we're to grow up as a species, we need to adress the systems that infantilise us' – That's so true! I've been thinking about this a lot, in other words, but the same principle – I think we live sorrounded by toxic information, toxic relationships and toxic systems that are not providing to the majority of us, as a species, with the congnitive and informative tools to evolve!

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  31. QueenBoadicea

    June 27, 2018 4:21 pm

    0:28 Wow, it'd be so great if people did this in my state. But whenever one of these sidewalk or subway "preachers" start spouting this nonsense, folks just ignore them. So they ramble on regardless of whether anyone is actually listening. It's frustrating. I myself have often wanted to shout down these people but have left off with the notion that I'd be the lone voice crying in the wilderness. Maybe the people in the UK have the right idea.

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  32. walker texasranger

    November 21, 2018 4:14 pm

    I've enjoyed many of your videos. They are deep and though provoking. This video is very different. Still thought provoking but very bias. A broad brush of all religions. You mention the weird preach and presume all preachers and religious people are such. I would say you made this video while in the child state. I think had you been in the adult state you would be more open minded and not using such a broad brush. Also at time you move to the parent state and make judgement about all religions. I wish you would have put as much thought into this important subject as you had in the other great videos you have made.

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  33. walker texasranger

    November 21, 2018 4:29 pm

    I am not an expert on all religion but i have done some studying on the Bible. There are historical eyewitness accounts in the Bible. If you write those off as hearsay then do you also write off Platos, "Republic"? We do not have any originals and the oldest copy we have are hundreds of years older than the original. Same is true with the gallic wars? Do you discount those as well?

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  34. walker texasranger

    November 21, 2018 4:37 pm

    I have experienced many churches that welcome questions and Pastors who do not shove beliefs down other peoples throats. I have met pastors who are seeking to make the world a better place. Who are leading their churches to care for the homeless, the poor, and improve communities. The church i go to now seeks to love all people regardless of what they believe or don't believe. It seens the only religious people who get attention are those like the one you mentioned in your video. I know many people who are now sober, ex-addicts, and etc… who would say pastors, churches, the Bible- have greatly improved their life. But they get zero attention. Christianity as Christ intended it is meant to bring people together and add value to people and communities. Wish you would seek out one of many good pastors and churches around you who are seeking to do good, encourage others, give hope to the hopeless, and serve their communities.

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  35. Nyle Lynn

    February 6, 2019 6:24 am

    It was really odd to watch all these very intelligent psychological videos and then this one where you get totally personal and where you're so obviously offended by religion and then start condemning people who have faith. It actually invalidated your point because you're condemning people for having different experiences and beliefs than you which is not at all adult of you. It would have been a sounder and less personal and controversial argument to choose the latest health kick and have someone trying to convert everyone to try it. To use something like that as your analogy would have been less narrow and wouldn't have made your point about such a sensitive subject Instead what you have done is brought the very personal subject of faith into your scientific discussion. Science does not actually disprove faith and faith does not disprove science. They can happily and respectfully co-exist. It's a shame because many people of faith are going to watch this an once again they will tune out the science and often it is those people who need to hear the science the most.

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  36. whisperingsage

    February 7, 2019 11:23 pm

    I am a former evolutionist, former liberal Democrat, raised by an atheist ruined by Catholic school beatings with the ruler on her knuckles. I was an agnostic since childhood. I became a New Ager thanks to a highly intelligent boyfriend I respected, accepting Hinduism, Taoism, crystals, Buddism, the Tarot, Native American practices, Edgar Cayce , reincarnation etc. Including a false form of Christianity. Those born agains couldn't be right. I preferred the mystical form.

    Then one day, I learned about the implantable microchip. Revelation 13, the Antichrist would be the One World leader and people would take the Mark of the beast. The inventer of the implantable microchip says he was set up with a team of 100 men, from Motorola and General Electric and other tech companies to help him invent this microchip. They were lured into it by being told it would connect motor nerves of quadriplegics. They set themselves to their work. In the process, Henry Kissinger was involved, and One World meetings were held. Requirements were added, the chip was the size of a grain of rice, and it would carry one's medical records, employment records, jail records, and the ability to buy. The scripture specifies, the forehead OR the right hand. Our government spent $1.5 million to research that frequent temperature change would charge the lithium battery, and the most frequent areas of the human body that made the most frequent temp changes were the forehead and the back of the hand. Too specific to ignore. Then Dr Sanders got saved! (Oh mercy, how could he?) and found the Strongs Concordance in greek listed the term 666 as xi chi stigma. Stigma, is to stick, to prick, to punch into. Charagma is a mark incised for recognition of ownership. Ah! getting too specific! This is not hearsay, look it up. I find when studying the Blood Covenant by EW Kenyon (there is a free version online) all about the traditions of men making themselves blood brothers basically, and making covenants with the token shedding of blood. I could not ignore this. If this specific prophecy is true (and yes there are people freely taking the chip into their bodies now, and also glorying in it as the transhumanists and covering their chip with a tattoo, so that's interesting), then I couldn't ignore it anymore. I had to take the Bible seriously. Jesus really is the son of God and I explored that I also explored the Evolution facts from fiction, as that was a big point for me.
    Though they haven't yet revealed their world leader, too many things are falling into place. The chip was just a start to wake me up.

    Then you have this; the first word in the bible, in Hebrew;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0GsgXlxAKo and the first verse in the bible in Hebrew;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0hUldrYp4&t=3s There's more but how do you explain this prophecy thousands of years before Christ?

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  37. QueenBrunette

    March 27, 2019 6:41 pm

    Okay, after watching a few of your videos, oldest to this one, …

    …can you help me understand the "atheists" who go to a public ran facility, sees a religious item on just a person's desk and then threaten law suit if the religious item of the one person is not removed, or even stronger the one person isn't removed from their position and made jobless?

    Hence comes an old saying, one bad apple spoils the whole barrel. Oh, and the vague example has happened here in the USA.

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  38. Amell Yrizarri

    March 29, 2019 8:57 pm

    😞that happens all the time in my country, I think people are used to it or they are already quite religious, even when it happens in the subway what you hear are not people complaining but nodding and saying "amen"

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  39. Mark French

    April 1, 2019 7:17 pm

    In America, it is a common to have street preachers on buses, trains and street corners as well as in other public places. To say it's annoying is an understatement. Thanks for a very thought provoking video.

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  40. Katarina Tibai

    April 4, 2019 4:34 pm

    I hate it – insult the people like this in a train – no respect the other individuum. In a train you cant escape…
    They always ask for respect and freedom for them self and dont give it to the others. Thats such a narcissistic duble standart – I want to kick ass when somebady start to cross me baunderies like that.
    Thats the goods love they bread – untollerant and agressive.

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  41. N The One

    April 5, 2019 6:38 am

    "These characteristics are currently being attributed to atheists"
    Well, let's not act like many atheists (including me at some points in my life) talk of theists as sick, mentally challenged, dysfunctional and unsightly.

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  42. Anony-moose Fish

    April 6, 2019 3:23 am

    Wow, another amazing video, but i’d personally love to see this channel tackle some of the absurdities of governments as well; because religion and tyrannical governments go hand in hand afterall, don’t they?

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  43. The Gay Atheist

    April 10, 2019 4:57 pm

    Christians lack empathy. If you think torturing people for eternity for not being Christian is a good and holy thing, you do not have empathy. Their justification is that we're not perfect. We all fall short, they say. The idea that you either get eternal paradise if you're perfect in God's eyes or eternal torture if you're not is extremely black and white, and the way to be considered perfect is to love Jesus and worship him, which is something a dictator would do.

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  44. Tajabo's Tarot of Marseille

    April 11, 2019 3:19 am

    This doesn't make sense for one reason only. There's actually such a thing as a "parent" and "a child" which has nothing to do with TA (are you suggesting that a child shouldn't listen to a parent Or be raised up properly with discipline?) Bleh. I'll tell u how to be an adult. Take full responsibility for yourself. Quit worrying about what everyone else is doing.

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  45. Stephen Galanis

    April 11, 2019 7:54 pm

    I think Catholicism, with it's continual hyper-focus on Mary as a visualized mother figure, does a better job of making childish adults than most.

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  46. Bon Sheedy

    April 12, 2019 9:12 am

    6:04 reminds me of when my mother blew cigarette smoke in my face and commanded me to 'bow down'.

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  47. Trey Forest

    April 13, 2019 11:09 pm

    9:53 “The guild of Christian assassins”? Did the Navy SEAL copypasta guy convert to Christianity at some point?

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  48. Roger Roger

    April 15, 2019 2:27 pm

    Like your other videos, this is excellent. But this series (TA) has never been as relevant as it is today in my opinion.  I try to catch myself being overly paranoid or partisan but, I can't help but believe that we are in a very decisive life or death struggle, so to speak, right now. I live in the US but I also see this happening in the UK and I am very concerned that if we don't stand up  express ourselves and expose what we are seeing to try to stop it, we will have a very long and hard road to recovery.  It seems that people are willing to sacrifice almost anything to protect what they perceive as a threat or for some it may be pride. It is quite obvious that there are flat out lies being told along with misinformation being spread but some just refuse to see it or maybe they do see it but are willing to ignore it at almost any cost. The question is, how do we respond in an effective way to break people out of this mind set?

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  49. Noriaki Kakyoin

    April 18, 2019 10:37 am

    I come from a catholic background but my mom let me and my sisters choose, they chose Catholicism (probably because they are younger and like magic stuff) and I followed what my dad said. I don’t mind religions but I have a problem If they push it onto others, which is partly why I respect some catholics and Muslims

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  50. Mycroft

    April 20, 2019 4:51 pm

    I was a Christian and I used to do "spread" God's word to "save" people who are "damned" or "rebellious" to God. I genuinely believed that it was the greatest thing to do in life, and that was what was being taught to us. Luckily, I got out of that indoctrination. I feel sorry for the people I talked into religion(luckily, my marketing skills are shit so I didn't get anyone in) and to the people who'll be manipulated into joining that church.

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  51. QUIXOTIC

    May 2, 2019 1:13 am

    Smooth Jazz – Relaxing JAZZ im listening to this mellow and relaxing music in another tab. i have to! the narrator is the most cynical person i have ever heard. it makes these videos less bitter or something

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  52. CrazyAssDrumma

    May 12, 2019 9:23 am

    You know you have done your job correctly when someone calls you a "fucking atheist cunt"

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  53. Gabriel schwab

    May 14, 2019 8:27 pm

    While not entirely related to this video, I'm curious. How do Atheists rationalize morality?

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  54. 0nly This

    May 23, 2019 4:35 pm

    We inherit the gods of our elders, ensconce in their religion, defined for us in their language and supporting their mores – passed on to us, without alternatives, while we were yet incapable of discrimination. Inherited biases all.

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  55. tape gapingly

    May 26, 2019 11:31 am

    i know it would be less of an important topic, but i wish he read audiobooks, super relaxing voice.

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  56. Akira625

    June 1, 2019 5:42 am

    I wish this sort of thing was more common in the United States, where these kinds of preachers get ruthlessly shouted down. Honestly, ranting and raving like a damned fool has to be one of the least effective means of converting people to a religion. How do you win over people by yelling and screaming at them and making posthumous threats to their souls, especially if you’re just some random stranger on the street?

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  57. Jillian Smith

    June 3, 2019 10:49 pm

    One of my favorite anti-atheist names is "godless atheist!"  I so want to just say, calmly, "Exactly."  What else IS an atheist, but someone who doesn't believe in a god or gods? 

    As an atheist, I do find humor in such names.

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  58. MaybePotatoes

    June 6, 2019 7:01 am

    "NOTHING NEEDS TO BE WORSHIPPED" makes me think you're an anarchist. Authorities that cannot prove their legitimacy must be dethroned.

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  59. MegaChickenfish

    July 2, 2019 7:41 pm

    I wish the US was more like that tram. It's not "oppressing" your religion to tell you to stop using your religion to oppress and harass others.

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  60. Lloyd Succes

    July 12, 2019 9:45 am

    Your videos are well thought out and absolutely deeply informative. Keep up the excellent work!!!

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  61. Leisa Irwin

    July 31, 2019 2:13 pm

    "The guild of christian assassins" are coming for us?! Wtf.
    I knew it wasn't based in "love". That is so offensive. Puts me on the defensive.

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  62. Arla Pieper

    August 4, 2019 4:38 am

    But sir, considering the Adult Mode: I am good enough as myself/who I am…that exists in your mind…but not in God's! You are not good enough, you are a sinner who needs a savor…what if you are wrong someday?? Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

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  63. Faded Glory

    August 5, 2019 4:49 pm

    Yes god creates a perpetual state of being a child. The Heavenly Father.
    Former cult member (JW) child or human sacrifice in the form of dying in need of blood. Almost lost my daughter. I thought it was just a nice group of people and since I was raised in it I didn't see how it could harm. Boy did I learn differently.
    Thank you for all these videos. Much indoctrination to come out of and get out of my kids.

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  64. hassan mohdy

    August 17, 2019 10:21 pm

    Wait 9:52 there is a guild of Christian Assassins? The fuck? That sounds like assassins creed but inverse.

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  65. Adeal's Music Box

    August 29, 2019 8:55 pm

    Religion is a virus: it infects people to spread the virus even more. The cure to that virus is rational and logical thinking.

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  66. Mathilde Bruhn

    September 2, 2019 6:23 pm

    When you mentioned how people can get used to luxury and feel they're entitled to it, the first thing I thought about was how people will sometimes claim attempts to make our society more equal, is in fact tipping the balance in the opposite end, that it was equal before and now they're being victimized, and what do you know; you ended using that as a comparison too!

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  67. Mark Fennell

    September 5, 2019 6:06 pm

    2:20. You said that if the supernatural were accessible to her senses and yes it would be proven. That is a great statement. Because there are millions of us who have actually had direct contact with the supernatural. Not just once or twice but doezens and hundreds of times.

    That’s you don’t need an ancient text like the Bible or Hindu Scriptures. You can access the same truths for yourself. However until you are able to directly access them for yourself it is helpful to have a book or video made by those of us who have.

    I just wanted to point this out to make sure you understand that even though some aspects of certain religious texts are not true we must also understand that the metaphysical realities are extremely true in most of those realities lineup with experiences and messages written in the famous books l

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  68. Mark Fennell

    September 5, 2019 6:25 pm

    I think that things are exactly inverted in the United States compared to where you live in England.

    There are no Christians anywhere who act the way you describe. The people you describe are not true Christians. I have met many questions in my lifetime and they are all quite decent kind moral human beings.

    Conversely there is such a thing as Militant Atheism. It has been going on in this country for years. Rather than letting people live their own lives and believe what they wanna believe regarding religion the radical atheists forced their views upon everybody else. Which basically means no spirituality or religion in any sense anywhere at anytime.

    The radical atheists do exist and they have been a big problem in the United States.

    So I do think that the situation is inverted in your country versus United States. In the United States christans are good kind people and the atheists are the ones like you described with that scene on the train.

    Furthermore the greatest of evil acts in this country are committed by those who have no sense of spirituality and religion whatsoever.

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  69. bejjinks

    September 10, 2019 4:59 pm

    I had the ironic experience of resisting the p->c dynamic while I was still a Christian. One of my sisters even called me an Atheist for refusing to be a child. I was put in the position of trying to prove that I was still a Christian despite being an adult. The way my sisters infantilized me was a big part of the push that eventually drove me away from Christianity.

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