Mormon Doctrine Has Been Plagiarized

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joining missus candle sheets he is an
intellectual property attorney and also author of the book book of mormon book
of lies kendall it’s great to have you let’s start with the case that you make
in the book which is that mormon doctrine essentially has been played
right yannick what we found works uh… we start
invest based twenty five years ago when a couple of more monroe missionary showed up at our door and to an investigation while uh… this book of mormon ever talk talking
about we don’t know much about we found that determines the words in the stories
pending copied from other sources and the sources were all travel in
history books uh… the primary sources one called
travels more all most people are familiar with this however that was not the only one they’ve also copy stories uh… books
about arabia bus across the ocean by uh… palomas
folks from mexico and uh… and uh… these books about star history of
america so how we shall miss out was there’s
words in many ends in marco polo such as surya and this comes out of uh… uh… this
is the name of cigs area in turkey resist what justice smith and we believe
that wilder use for example name up a mother and the character of the book to joseph smith what they did in
eighteen thirty they were well known economy cisco gold diggers and they said that they had found some
gold plates underground initial plates and he’s not uh… magical characters on
the bright red politically is the book mormon will is characters we found out came
actually from an old drawing in one of these books and their pagan remix ends now this has not then exposes has not been owned
since eighteen thirty so we are the first one space when history to find out where this booking yes incredible because when you if you
were just a casually mentioned that someone you know did tons of the book of mormon
is almost identical to stuff in the travels of marco polo the average person
myself included would say well there’s gotta be some kind of
explanation and i went into this book pretty skeptical but when you look at it
ameen their are passages that are that are really almost identical and it’s
very odd because why would the book of mormon presumably the word of the mormon
god which came from the gold plate says read by joseph smith why would it
match-up identically with what’s with essentially in a travelogue it just
doesn’t make any sense but it is they are being black and white is there in black and white this isn’t the genius like ellen
ingenious rock it’s it’s the implications of are
tremendous the uh… we need to look at the black-and-white
when you look at the passages this book of mormon is not actually it’s
got a lot of religious content and love that comes out of the bible have
actually gone through and shown pretty copied many passengers out of the king
james bond but what being a part of it is and what
the mormon church planes is is the unique image as a step wrote books or
all these detailed stories amidst jewish family that most men in lehigh and they see claim that they came across
from susan what what happened was they copied the travels coming from jerusalem going down the coast of the red sea out of this book monitor traveler uh… hit by the radio for eighteen
twenty six this is in eighteen eighty marco polo book
this is the original copy published in england what beats it belongs boats response in eighteen eighteen what they did was they took a class in
books from overseas mostly publishing and some
of them posting philadelphia and they put line-by-line methodically through these and cut by the passages in
black-and-white might be sent social four before we get into the the
modern political thing there’s another thing i want to touch on there which is
what we talk about joseph smith go a little bit into his background
because he had a background of being essentially
a con man did you not that is absolutely correct he had a reputation his father actually
started his car and it was a common thing back to me early eighteen hundred you can research
analyst papers which i’ve done in my book they claim to be able to see in the
spirit world or see underground and feingold treasure
this is where we get the trembled bigger prop and they weren’t commies farmers out of
money saying only siegel treasure buried on
your property let’s go big sport men with their young people’s all of the
country and it’s just ridiculous that and he did he can get a reputation
of being very good at this very good storyteller he bikinis that story except to claim
the sian vision of his angel moreau nine his bedroom led him to these treasured underground
bolts plates so here are pretty developed a
reputation around eight p area of being able to actually see treasure and this is where he parlay that into
been claiming to find a religious scripture it’s funny because i i cite i don’t know
that that i don’t know if this is an offensive comparison to make a guy i
don’t really know about what strikes me as interesting is that he was kind of laying the groundwork to
what later would kind of being the crew the founding of this religion in the
same way that l ron hubbard with scientology said you can make a lot of money if you start
of religion and and that’s essentially exactly what he did it was almost kind
of saying this is what i’m going to do that is exactly what happened the we at race that basing back then
that they thought uh… he’s preachers are coming through the country were basically comp they wouldn’t get people to get
offerings and they don’t have to work and business were desperately poor became up with this idea that hey we can
make money coming up with relation just like all these other
people have just like on the piano run ever did and and cash in on a of course they
didn’t referred allright hubbard since that came later rock but as an example
of diana step as an example as example that that i think that that pets we have traced to uh… uh… the promises mother packed tour of her
own block and i have also deciphered back in the
same way and these are the mark hole and she sort of given at expose what the
family did towards the end of her life and this is kind of the uh… prize ending to my book and she has basin they did that yes it was for profit this was to get them out of poverty and after they pre their church in eighteen thirty they
started a lot of membership in a few years justice met actually had a revelation
that sentence he shouldn’t have to work you should be
a full-time minister right and and once again offerings span and now the revelation came that they
needed on the house for his father seek is you’re this is going instantly
hadith pretty well a candle in the lead we have very
limited time left that i wanted to go out on the political thing but give me a
sense of are you surprised that mitt romney’s
mormon religion was not more of a fact there during the the twenty twelve
presidential election i personally was very surprised by i think d there were some media they’re trying to n_b_c_ opposed there’s
a there’s a train wreck tomatoes about it i think it was the unknown factor it was his two things it was the
republicans pushing this candidate and so people come blindly went with whatever you know the party that’s gonna
be right evangelical voters who previously thought more but as i was a
cult this kind of blindly accept the drama they wanted to run the enter our ara
they get some of the invention will grow up high-profile banjo preachers student
repre imports romney up if that was it but i think it was the education tax
people don’t really understand of course no one knew about this i’m fortunate in
finished my book or uh… early enough aside perpetrator about and we’re going to vote for we’ve been working on the twenty five
years so it was a long time to let you borrow uh… the factor of uh… of as i said you know for surrealist
artists and question provide more and we’re trying to win a specially return
or brown that the what i said i think they just don’t know and asking why wire wow romney’s the way the i_r_s_ it we need to dig
into his believed sick backgrounds background sexism in the church right uh… buried invited its debts will fall
within the church debate xd indicate proc intellectuals who grew up with more of a stuart repair lesbian they uh… they don’t like it a little
saving about about the church so that the church today at the very picked up
suppressed team any and anyone coming against them interpret and this is a length of the work that
out that hey this is a texan what the right uh… so i i think it was the the
combination of these things that’s why uh… people were killed wed and we’ve
got and i’ve told everyone i knew bernard wake everyone oppler interest at heart all right the book is book of mormon
book of life has been speaking with candles feats check out the book uh… kendall great to have you on
thanks for being here thank you very much for the panelists
yet ahead that a dividend of the mormon book
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plenty more after this

 

100 Responses

  1. Rachel Carre

    December 12, 2012 2:29 pm

    It's funny how this conversation came to talk a lot about the similarities and differences between humans and animals. I'm starting to wonder at present that is animals are so similar to us and have a conscience why they're not treated as equal. Anyway, that was an interesting conversation !

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  2. JD C

    December 12, 2012 9:33 pm

    Where does intolerance come from? Ignorance. Why do people remain ignorant? In my experience, because their church told them to. How many people have been murdered, sacrificed, or killed in the name of "god"? How many wars have been fought because of ideological differences?

    When Plato was talking about "natural" man, he was referencing ignorance and being uneducated. Only through learning and experience would man become enlightened and wise. It has nothing to do with sexual desire.

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  3. JD C

    December 12, 2012 9:35 pm

    Well, after all, humans ARE animals. It's just that most animals aren't self-aware, and those that are, are not sentient beings.

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  4. JD C

    December 12, 2012 9:37 pm

    Show me a scientific study that shows otherwise. I guarantee any "study" done that claims sexual preference is a choice was conducted by (or funded by) a religious organization. Those kinds of groups work backwards from their conclusion, instead of using the scientific method and doing REAL research.

    Show me a study that shows being gay is a choice. I guarantee it will have been done by a religious group.

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  5. JD C

    December 12, 2012 9:39 pm

    Religion was originally created as a means to explain that which could not be explained (i.e. why the sun rises, why crops grow, why people get sick, etc).

    Over time, it eventually became a means of controlling the masses through fear and shame.

    Religion is wholly manmade.

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  6. JD C

    December 12, 2012 9:40 pm

    "Sounds more true" is not a substitute for logic, reasoning, or evidence.

    It's fine if you want to have your religious beliefs, but don't pretend to know that all gay people just "decided" to be gay one day. It's insulting, arrogant, and condescending.

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  7. qarohc

    December 13, 2012 12:22 am

    I don't care what the mormons believe. They can trust a conman and glorify him as a god for all i care. Yes it bothers me that people are brainwashed and gullible, it also bothers me that they brain wash their own children, but i wont stop them by any means other than reasoning with them.

    The moment they express these beliefs in public and or try to enact laws based on these bat shit insane beliefs I am within my rights to speak up against it.

    Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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  8. qarohc

    December 13, 2012 12:39 am

    And you have no answer other than to fain indignation. Please message me your essay since its your only defense.

    In college I wrote a paper in a philosophy class about religion. It was titled Why there is no god. I got a 100% on it. Should i just yell at people that a paper exists with a 100% or should I make my case?

    ps we are having this conversation because you excuse superstition and glorify blind ignorance.I will gladly criticize apologist for ignorance all day.

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  9. qarohc

    December 13, 2012 12:57 am

    " It wouldn't surprise me then that things which are bad are enemy to God."

    What god? The bible god? Have you ever read the bible?The bible "god" is the most disgusting and genocidal bigot in fiction. If the bible was taken as truth then holy wars, murders for slight religious transgressions slavery and misogyny would all be acceptable.

    Please for the sake of my trust in humanity say one thing that makes sense.

    The only enemy "god" has is reason.

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  10. qarohc

    December 13, 2012 1:06 am

    I agree with every you have said so far other than "and those that are, are not sentient beings."

    Sure not all animals have the capacity to think but primates for example are very much like us and have similar minds. Seems as if the line of sentience you describe is arbitrarily drawn using healthy and smart humans as its base.

    I dont see how an animal could be "self-aware" and not sentient for example.

    I prefer and agree with sentience being the ability to feel suffering and pain.

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  11. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:22 pm

    No, intolerance does not necessarily come from ignorance. You're not ignorant, are you ? Yet, you have been showing barely any tolerance towards mormonism. Your reference to murder, sacrifice and killing has nothing to do with intolerance, that is a completely other matter.
    And yes, ideology does not mean religion and I will say it again : it's the intolerance of people that drives them to these types of thing. It's the intolerance of Hitler towards the Jews that started the Holocaust,

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  12. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:26 pm

    It's the intolerance of Catholics towards Protestants that created genocide in England… and I could go on. Give me an example where it was simply ideology. You and I have different opinions, are we gonna kill each other for that ?!
    Plato was definitely not talking about ignorance and uneducation. He was saying that humans naturally like to inflict pain, but don't like to receive any. I've read the book within the last few months…

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  13. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:29 pm

    That didn't answer my question. Why would numbers make any more sense than the fact of there being a God ?

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  14. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:32 pm

    I'm sorry if you found it insulting, arrogant and condescending, I didn't mean it that way. It's not like I hate homosexuals or anything-I have some friends who are. It's just that to me, it doesn't seem to be the best thing first thing for families : like adoption by a homosexual couple creates a disbalance in children. I don't know, it just doesn't sound right to me like religion doesn't sound right to you.

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  15. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:36 pm

    Well, for all I know, I don't think mormons would make that many bad laws if they did. You are in your rights to speak up, who ever said otherwise ? But I think that you might be better taken into consideration if you had as much respect in others' beliefs as you would wish them to have in yours.

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  16. Rachel Carre

    December 13, 2012 5:44 pm

    You know what, you make me sick for the poor tolerance you have towards people's beliefs and how hurtful you can be. I'm not mormon, but I'm christian, and I believe in the Bible, and I've read it. And perhaps God had to be strict towards men, because men are SO bad. God is ALL GOOD ! God punishes like a parent punishes his child : does that make the parent disgusting ?! You know what, I've had enough of arguing. I'll see you at the last day, my friend and I'll say to God i've done my best

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  17. JD C

    December 13, 2012 8:12 pm

    Because an all-powerful being in the sky who wants us to worship him, who commits mass genocide, who condones slavery and rape, who condones incest, who demands that we devote our entire lives to him…. that just doesn't make sense.

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  18. JD C

    December 13, 2012 8:16 pm

    I could name dozens of other instances of death, murder, and war because of religion (and could argue that the Holocaust happened because of religion, albeit in a different way than most).

    I dislike Mormonism BECAUSE I'm educated about it. It's a terrible organization that has done a lot of harm to a lot of people. Anyone who is educated about Mormonism and supports it is, in my mind, just not a good person.

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  19. JD C

    December 13, 2012 8:18 pm

    Rachel, that's exactly what's been happening in the Middle East for the last 1,000 years. The Salem Witch trials only happened because religion makes people do crazy shit. The Crusades happened because England decided to slaughter people in the name of god.

    To pretend religion wasn't the cause of pain, suffering, and death is either ignorant or dishonest.

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  20. JD C

    December 13, 2012 8:20 pm

    Same sex couples are just as capable at parenting as "normal" couples. Quite frankly, you're sounding more and more bigoted the more you say on the matter. It's not that religion doesn't "sound right" to me. I've done research, which you clearly haven't. If you HAD done research, you would have found that ALL scientific studies conclude that children raised by same-sex parents are just as intelligent, just as capable, and function just as normally as other children.

    I'm done with you. Bigot

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  21. qarohc

    December 13, 2012 9:16 pm

    numbers 31- Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
    But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    -the last card of a christian that has tried to play every irrational card. Claim that the bible "god" is good regardless of the book describing him as a monster. Blame the imaginary victims and run away threatening hell.

    May you reason your way out of your death cult.

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  22. Rachel Carre

    December 14, 2012 5:44 am

    oh my gosh !!!!! my friend wuz sayin true !!!! another rachel carre !! (i don't know where she got the idea of lookin up dat video!!! and u christion, dat's … can't say nothin….. ya, u shouldn't keep arguin, no use !!! wouaw !! where u from ????

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  23. JD C

    December 21, 2012 8:13 pm

    Oh, so if there aren't any gay couples with children in YOUR family, they must not exist, right? RIGHT?!?!?

    "not even a blip on the radar. Nothing."

    Yeah, that couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they couldn't legally adopt until recently, could it?

    Honestly, man. Logic. Reasoning. Use them.

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  24. JD C

    December 22, 2012 5:43 am

    Yeah, the downfall of modern civilization will be two dudes living together who have the same rights as a "normal" married couple; not the countless wars, or religious intolerance (which has spawned nearly every war since the dawn of time), or corporate greed, or government corruption. No, the world will fall because two men want their love to be recognized as valuable.

    MY reasoning is emotional? No. My reasoning is based on studies done by SCIENTISTS. Yours is based on religious bigotry.

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  25. JD C

    December 22, 2012 9:16 am

    Right. Because if there's anything we should try to emulate, it's Sharia law. Because that's worked out SO well for Islamic countries.

    Theology? TOTALLY what the founding fathers had in mind… or, it could be, you know, the entire fucking reason they left England in the first place!

    Honestly. Just stop. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Your opinion is not based in reality. It's based on a fairy tale (and a bad one at that).

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  26. BelgianBicyclist

    December 23, 2012 8:57 am

    The Book of Abraham, part of the LDS canonized scripture known as the Pearl of Great Price, is much lower-hanging fruit. It is demonstrably a fraud. The original papyrus that Joseph Smith used to "translate", thought to be lost in a fire was found in a museum. It turns out to be a common burial document known as the Book of Breathings, nothing remotely to do with father Abraham.

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  27. BrooklynSS985

    December 24, 2012 4:08 am

    I love How He clams that Joseph smith toke the money that the church made and used it for personal gain. When in the church all the money the church makes goes back into the church. You don't get paid to be a leader in the church. This man is saying lies about the Church. Lastly I've done my own research on the matter to find out that there were very few books coming in from Europe because of the war the between England and America.

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  28. BrooklynSS985

    December 24, 2012 4:10 am

    Also We give more back to others in need than any other church in the world. We would like it if you left us out of your pointless lies about the Church. Thank you and have a nice day.

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  29. BrooklynSS985

    December 24, 2012 4:17 am

    Well sir you are not very educated. To start its not called Mormonism. Its the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. Also I love how you say we harm other people when we are always helping others and sending support to others in need. Just because you don't believe the same thing we do. Does not give you a right to call it evil. Also this has nothing to do with the Holocaust or wars over religion.

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  30. JD C

    December 24, 2012 6:31 am

    1. I know a lot more about the LDS church than you assume; I used to BE Mormon. I call it Mormonism because quite frankly, I don't want to type out that EXHAUSTING name.
    2. PROP 8 harms people. Racism in the church harms people. Parents disowning their gay kids as a result of LDS teachings harms people.
    Believe me, I know all about what Mormonism is. I know the doctrine. I know the culture. And I also know dozens of people who have been disowned by their LDS families, and dozens more 1/2

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  31. JD C

    December 24, 2012 6:34 am

    (cont. 2/2) who can't be married because of PROP 8.

    Mormonism has EVERYTHING to do with other religions. They claim to be the one supreme, ONLY true gospel on the planet. It's the most arrogant of religions, and history has shown that most conflicts occur BECAUSE of religion. PROP 8 was because of religious beliefs being forced onto other people; granted, they're not murdering people, but lives are definitely hurt, ruined, families torn apart because of the LDS church involvement in PROP 8.

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  32. Elder Joseph

    December 25, 2012 10:29 pm

    " Also I love how you say we harm other people when we are always helping others and sending support to others in need"

    The church itself does very little or nothing and is actually all about Big Business and Money. Any help is purely for Public Relations excercise in an effort for recruitment. Individual Mormons help others as you say but their kindness is being used to promote the religious cult and recruit others.

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  33. Elder Joseph

    December 25, 2012 10:33 pm

    " Also We give more back to others in need than any other church in the world."

    Thats not true and very arrogant of you to gloat and boast and especially when it's not true.

    You are a victim of the cults lying public relations machine. The LDS church is more interested in Real Estate, Shopping Malls, Hunting Reserves, Hotels, Insurance, Banking etc

    The church side is just a front for Money Extortion from recruits to further the cult and not some kind of charity for the hungry or naked.

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  34. Elder Joseph

    December 25, 2012 10:38 pm

    " When in the church all the money the church makes goes back into the church"

    Exactly right, Money in the church is used to pay church employees who are their to administer the church. Monson is Paid as are the Apostles and GA's, but they call it Stipends and keep the figures secret from ordinary members like yourself.

    Joseph Smith used his self proclaimed church leader position for Money, Sex and Power etc. Brigham Young successfully made himself wealthy as dictator of the cult .

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  35. Primal

    December 26, 2012 9:10 pm

    Its not a mormon church its the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and i would know what is wrong mostly case i am a mormon and yes i said its not a mormon church cause its not but we are mormon

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  36. KSASTAMPS

    December 27, 2012 10:14 pm

    Well, someone is lying here and it is not the BOM. This same criticism is made to eviscerate the Bible as being a christianized set of myth stories all stolen from earlier pagan sources. All the author does here is expose his own ignorance of ancient sources, and what "plagarism" was anciently. If critics would take an hour of their precious time to read anything written by Nibley on this subject, they would have to waste their time on another angle, since he addressed these issues well.

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  37. El Lozano

    January 9, 2013 5:26 pm

    its funny.none of you ever read the book and our talking so much crap..the bible..thats the one you should write about.the catholic church removed so many things and changed so many passages. The only reason you atack us so much is because deep fown you know were only good. But no one will ever admit it and just attack. saying stupid made up facts that if you check are not een true.

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  38. TheLDSLife - Living Life as a Latter-day Saint

    January 14, 2013 11:16 pm

    Buy my book! Lo here and lo there! I have an opinion! I quit the church because I have irrefutable evidence against it blah blah blah. It's so boring (snore) but whatever. Quitters don't need a reason to quit but they're usually quick to provide reasons. If you want to use this book as your reason to quit on Mormonism then so be it. This book and the reasons it cites has already been refuted successfully. Those who revere the book will be the last to know when they have to explain their plight.

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  39. TheLDSLife - Living Life as a Latter-day Saint

    January 19, 2013 4:16 pm

    I already know by the spirit of the Lord that the Book of Mormon is also to the word of God so for me, there is no real reason to see children argue and fight over which opinion or hearsay sounds better than what God has already established, in me, via a witness of his holy spirit. Maybe for entertainment, I might peruse this book but this would be a colossal waste of my time because knowing the truth of Gods will in my life today, doing anything that distracts me from this is a mute point.

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  40. JustI478

    January 19, 2013 7:29 pm

    What do you think was Mr. Sheets' motivation for writing his book? Have a qualified guess.

    And by the way, the title "Book of Mormon, Book of Lies". Couldn't he come up with something a bit more sophisticated?

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  41. hesanflicka

    January 19, 2013 7:42 pm

    Most members have not been told that after young Joseph had his leg surgery he mostly had to be in bed for the next 3 years. He spent this time at his wealthy uncle's home reading books from his personal library. Joseph knew the Bible in and out and got very creative with his knowledge from these other books. I am not surprised a bit that he could accumulate a text that sounded authentic at the time.

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  42. bellydancingtime

    January 23, 2013 7:28 am

    Thanks to the Nicene Counsel, the sad thing is that the Christan Religion has been so screwed up for more than 1600 years now that even a plagiarized travel guide might be better.

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  43. alpidistra

    January 25, 2013 10:42 pm

    Stories of the Old Testament are very similar and sometimes exactly like the Sumerian creation texts which talk about the creation of man, garden of eden, gods marrying the daughters of men, the flood, Noah etc etc. Are we then to reject the validity of the Holy Bible by claiming it is a plagiarism from other texts?How far are you willing to take this method? Even the Incas had oral stories about the great flood. Is it plagiarism or simply the common theme of universal truth and historical fact?

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  44. alpidistra

    January 25, 2013 10:58 pm

    The world is filled with spiritual leaders, gurus and teachers who have started essentially their own religions. They must number in the thousands. Yet how many have accomplished what Joseph Smith have? How many have a religion of 14 million members? Many have written so-called "revelations from God" and offered "holy books",yet why have they not had the same impact as Joseph Smith. Gary Renard, with his Disappearance of the Universe, I doubt will create a religion 14 million strong.

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  45. GrishlyAdams

    January 26, 2013 12:42 am

    I like everything your guest had to say and really didn't think much of your cutting him off and aborting his plug at the end there, that was rude, you are an internet broadcast and have no time constraints.

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  46. walkonking

    February 4, 2013 9:49 pm

    I have been reading the book of mormon, book of lies and am amazed how they demonstrate how Marco Polo was used as an outlined on how the book of mormon was laid out. They used it like a template and then inserted the stories. It really is a nail in the coffin in Mormonism

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  47. KSASTAMPS

    February 13, 2013 7:21 pm

    I have read Book of Mormon: Book of Lies, and I congratulate the authors on confirming what I have known all along: any attempt to explain the BOM on any other basis then what Joseph Smith said (and the first-hand witnesses said about it) is fraught with an impossible level of trouble. The authors here wind up vindicating the bonafides of the Prophet, through listing hundreds of completely absurd, meaningless "parallels" to prove their wild, ill-conceived theory.

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  48. KSASTAMPS

    February 13, 2013 7:27 pm

    For example, the "parallels" in proper names nearly dissapear when you discover that nearly all of the names are "close" matches, not complete matches. The handful of names that pass that test are invariably Arabian names that are much more ancient than the BOM. If anything, this supports the BOM. Further, "parallels" which pull a word here and there and claim plagarism, oddly find no parallel in the actual narratives being told. Why?

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  49. KSASTAMPS

    February 13, 2013 7:32 pm

    Further, the authors must pull 7 obscure, scholarly works out of their hat and put them into the hands of Smith Sr & Jr. Those works would have been difficult for an actual scholar to use in 1830, and the idea that Smith Sr & Jr had access to these is highly implausible. A thoughtful reader asks: where is the evidence that the Smiths (poor farmers) ever had access to or actually had any of these sources in their possession? The authors offer not a scintilla of evidence on this point.

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  50. Bill Rizzo

    March 5, 2013 8:25 pm

    YA THINK? Joeseph Smith was called a prophet *DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB* He started the mormon relgion *DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB* He found a bunch of gold plates and read them out of a hat *DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB* He thought Adam and Eve were born in Mousori *DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB*

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  51. Bill Rizzo

    March 5, 2013 8:27 pm

    The best part was joeseph smith sonvinced all other men to let their wives sleep with him, which is the only reasdon why he started it and why all mormons want to blow him to this day

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  52. Iain O'Galvin

    March 31, 2013 11:53 am

    Do I have this straight, you are *defending* the book of Moron? How is it that a Mormon can possibly keep up with all of the*proof* that Smith was a fraud? How about the book of Abraham, Egyptologists have translated the scroll and say since smith couldn't read it so he made up "gibberish". I've heard mormons claim it was a different scroll, but we know it from the depiction on it, Smith says it's Abraham and a priest about to slay him, Egyptologists: a mans funeral, a common funerary document

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  53. Iain O'Galvin

    March 31, 2013 11:57 am

    Then we have smith arrested and convicted of being a con artist, doing his same "seer stone" in a hat, face in the hat seeing where "buried treasure" lies. Mormons make paintings of Joe examining the plates while translating them in awe, while witnesses say "He put the rock in the hat, then put his face in the hat and read the words he saw out, all the while the plates being 'buried in the woods' " Then witnesses who claimed they saw them admitted, they saw them with their "spirit eyes" DUMB.

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  54. Iain O'Galvin

    March 31, 2013 11:58 am

    I love God, I hate lies. Let's talk, what's your story on this, I have MANY other concerns, this is the tip of the iceburg, I, my friend, am descended from the "hand cart saints" and I know this "religion" up and down, I'd love to debate it with you.

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  55. Iain O'Galvin

    March 31, 2013 12:03 pm

    I love Mormons, I LOVE how they said to my mother at a restaurant, "oh Maureen, I'm sorry, I don't think they serve beans at this restaurant" because my moms Mexican, and then when they couldn't drive her from the family they set in on me and my brothers at 4 and 6 years old, "It's really sad that you won't be going to the chosen race heaven with your cousins, you'll have to go to the part Mexican heaven because your father broke sacred law by marrying the seed of cain" TRUE story, nasty CULT

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  56. Iain O'Galvin

    March 31, 2013 12:49 pm

    Nasty, racist, sexual predator got what he deserved. All these arrogant brain washed Mormons say "nope, never touched it" about alcohol, then there's Joe Smith, one of his last things he did was order wine to his jail cell, get shit faced, then shoot 3 people with a smuggled pistol before being shot himself, whoops, I mean "martyred". Nothing has done more damage to my poor stupid extended family than moronism.

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  57. Anti Hypocrite

    March 8, 2014 4:46 pm

    Just like the Mormons taking other people's thoughts and physical hard work to take credit for it so they can profit off it. And that's why intelligent people are skeptic until believe in fairy tales. This is why nonbelievers are way more intelligent and rather believe in love and respect for each other and what they've one from each other from the ones that have passed on in that is the true meaning of happen not making someone rich off of fairy tales.
    And in the first amendment of the competition it says that Congress will not establish making laws off of religion beliefs but too bad the American people are not intelligent enough to understand English and do not understand that this is the part of where church and state is supposed to be separate but some idiot put on our currency in god we trust how hypocritical but it should have on it We the people .
    But they probably don't want that because they think the American people are idiots and they don't want them to think freely to make intelligent decisions on voting for morons to represent them but they sure love the taxpayers' money they give them their paychecks and if the American people are paying their salaries they should make the decision on who is run this country.
    And George W. Bush said that god want him to be president and he back the American people like Judas when he got us in the war by ignoring 7 warnings before 911 have been in line about weapons of mass destruction so he makes religion with politics tell of 3000 people to die in America on September 9th 2001 and this is why we are still fighting a war because of a psychotic idiot that said god wanted him to be president and look how many lives we've lost with our soldiers if god told George W. Bush to be president verisign that god is an idiot and no one should believe in idiots.

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  58. Maxwell Silverhammer

    May 18, 2014 10:40 pm

    Of course Joseph Smith Jr. was a con man and snake-oil folk religion salesman, and he continues to con through the criminal LDS enterprise, but you must admit he was clever and resourceful.  His lust for child-brides, ego and greed, ended only in a gunfight by a mob who had enough.   

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  59. John Smith

    February 16, 2015 10:51 am

    Mormons, masons……square and compass, secret handshakes, death penalties and the five points of fellowship……..the priesthood given to the 'black race' when pressure from the taxman came upon the church……..how can the most 'sacred' 'garments' have the square and compass upon them and not be a copy from the masons

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  60. A Men

    May 11, 2015 3:57 am

    LMAO.  I can't believe how these guys are just making up stuff up as they go along without any concrete evidence.  you can probably do they same with the Bible during those days, and note that Prophets during the Bible times were persecuted by people just like these two.

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  61. A Men

    July 23, 2015 2:56 am

    for years Joseph Smith was accused of copying exerpts from the KJB and other books to write the Book of Mormon.  If this is true, then there would be word for word copying and proof when you run the Book of Mormon through a computerized plagerium tool,.  Please show what % the tool showed as copied, and screen shots.  otherwise, your word holds no merit. I'm sure Joseph Smith did not expect a computer tool to test it's validity.  You can't be a true Christain or American if you don't believe in freedom of religion and are a bigot – that's something Satan would support however.

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  62. Stake Elder Anderson

    November 7, 2015 6:12 am

    HEY SHEETS your web site is being hacked lately!  Maybe the Corporate Church?  Say's phishing web site!!

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  63. Chuck Burgess

    November 11, 2015 2:42 am

    I looked up the "Modern Traveler" and could find absolutely no information as he describes. Anyone have a link where this book can be found?

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  64. cuinn837

    March 6, 2016 7:34 am

    Along with all this, the DNA doesn't match up anyway. Native Americans have no biological tie with Hebrews.

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  65. William Covington

    May 15, 2016 11:40 am

    The Book Of Mormon is Joseph Smith's successful con, as a finder of buried treasure Smith was a total failure.

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  66. Mamnoo Hubb

    August 9, 2016 4:49 pm

    Joe Smith also plagairized parts from the View of the Hebrews… Spaulding Russell's manuscript found, and a couple other's! the LDS church lies about these things & the PEOPLE of the church DON'T EVEN KNOW! I WAS LIED TO ABOUT THESE THINGS BY THE MISSIONARIES ABOUT THE ADAM GOD THEORY … BOTTOM LINE EVERYTHING THEY DO IS A LIE BY USING JESUS CHRIST IN WHAT THEY DO! IN THE TEMPLE THEY HAVE COPIED THE MASONIC OATHS… YES MITT ROMNEY TOOK AN OATH THAT HIS THROAT CUT BOWELS CUT OUT ETC IF THEY REPEAT WHAT THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN
    THERE!
    FINALLY PEOPLE HAVE PUT IT ON YOU TUBE! IT'S ALL SATANIC… LUCIFERIAN FROM FREEMASONS!
    DO THE RESEARCH

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  67. JediMormon

    January 15, 2017 7:57 pm

    Welcome to Comedy Central, all! Want to make a point? Then do what one of the posters below did, post the same thing 7 times!

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  68. Archangel

    January 20, 2017 3:07 am

    Who the hell is doing the subtitles? They are way off from what the guy is saying and who is this Dude that posted the same comment a dozen times. Otherwise a good vid.

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  69. Adam Goodword

    July 2, 2017 3:14 pm

    Joseph Smith also plagiarized Solomon Spaldings book Manuscript Found.
    He plagiarized the bible, that we know for sure, as you will find biblical scriptures in the BofM verbatim.

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  70. A servant of G-d of heaven.

    January 29, 2018 8:49 am

    Nelson quoted “Book of Mormon is not a true picture of historical event. Really ? Without history it work of fiction. Oaks quoted.” It is wrong to criticize leaders of the church even if the criticism is true. Really? The church has done all the thinking for you, and you have no right to think for yourself? The bible says to trust G-d twelve times in the bible, and not to trust man.
    Mormonism is cults of pseudo-reformed Egyptians with the doctrines of Egyptians that Joesph Smith restored. You are the same re-form Egyptians. Egyptians failed after Moses drew the jews out of Egyptian. Egyptian hah-ka-kau beam is the same kolob. Baptism for the dead corpse better salting for mummification. The mormonism did an “spiritual baptism” to familiar spirits, the demons. Becoming god in their own world was the devil second lie, and you will be god of thgis world with others gods, the synagogues of the devils. The basis of mormonism does attack the Holy Bible that makes the prophets in the bible an liar. There is no such a thing as magic stones to be used as form as communication with G-d ever mentioned in the bible. Learn Hebrew language. Hebrew is an visual language in shapes from constellation within constellation. The bigger picture the constellation are in few parts are in align in the bible telling the things in heaven as it is done on earth. Heaven testify of Jesus Christ, and constellations is the key to revelation and many books in the Holy Bible.

    Nelson citó "el libro de Mormón no es una verdadera imagen del acontecimiento histórico. Realmente? Sin historia es obra de ficción. Robles citado. Es incorrecto criticar a los líderes de la Iglesia incluso si la crítica es verdadera. Realmente? La iglesia ha hecho todo el pensamiento por ti, y no tienes derecho a pensar por ti mismo? La Biblia dice que confíen en Dios doce veces en la Biblia, y que no confíen en el hombre.
    El mormonismo es culto de egipcios pseudo-reformados con las doctrinas de egipcios que Joesph Smith restauró. Sois los mismos egipcios de la nueva forma. Los egipcios fallaron después de que Moisés sacó a los judíos del egipcio. El haz egipcio de ja-Ka-Kau es el mismo Kólob. Bautismo para el cadáver muerto mejor salada para momificación, y el mormonismo hizo un "bautismo espiritual" a espíritus familiares, demonios. Convertirse en Dios en su propio mundo fue la segunda mentira del diablo, y tú serás Dios de este mundo con otros dioses, las sinagogas de los demonios. La base del mormonismo es atacar la Santa Biblia que hace a los profetas en la Biblia un mentiroso, y no hay tal cosa como las piedras mágicas que se usarán como forma de comunicación con el dio jamás mencionada en la Biblia. Aprender el idioma hebreo. El hebreo es un lenguaje visual en formas de constelación dentro de constelación. El cuadro más grande de la constelación están en pocas partes están alineados en la Biblia diciendo las cosas en el cielo como se hace en la tierra. El cielo testifica de Jesucristo.

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  71. Anya Filcek

    March 27, 2018 8:33 pm

    I have a question if the Book of Mormon was false. Then where did the last two parts of it come from?

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  72. Spaseebo

    March 31, 2018 8:07 pm

    In writing the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith tripped himself up very severely. Various errors UNIQUE to the copy of the bible Joseph Smith owned (1769 KJV) are in the Book of Mormon ! This shows, undeniably, that Joseph Smith used the 1769 KJV as a reference and plagiarised text from that Bible. Refer: 2 Nephi 19:1, 2 Nephi 21:3, 2 Nephi 16:2, 2 Nephi 23:21-22.
    We are told that the Book of Mormon was written and buried in the 400s AD, and that Joseph Smith discovered the plates in 1827, some 1,400 years later.
    The 1769 edition of the King James Bible contained some specific ERRORS that are UNIQUE to that edition. In other words, those particular errors occur ONLY in the 1769 Bible, nowhere else, so they are easy to identify. Refer to the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 19:1, 2 Nephi 21:3, 2 Nephi 16:2, 2 Nephi 23:21-22.
    How is it that those unique errors from the King James 1769 Bible appear in the Book of Mormon, which was written and buried some 1,300 years earlier? HOW is that possible?
    HOW could the writer of the Book of Mormon know what would be written in the 1769 King James Bible some 1,300 years later? The fact that those unique errors are found in the Book of Mormon is overwhelming proof that Joseph Smith himself wrote the BofM and copied material from his 1769 King James Bible. What other possible explanation is there?

    Here are the sections I have mentioned:

    2 Nephi 19:1 Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations.

    2 Nephi 21:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.

    2 Nephi 16:2 Above it stood the seraphim; each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

    2 Nephi 23:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

    2 Nephi 23:22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces; and her time is near to come, and her day shall not be prolonged. For I will destroy her speedily; yea, for I will be merciful unto my people, but the wicked shall perish.

    As I said, Joseph Smith tripped himself up by plagiarising. He obviously did not know about the unique errors in his 1769 KJ Bible… just as he did not suspect that one day Egyptian hieroglyphs would be fully deciphered, proving his "translation" of the "Book of Abraham" an absolute fraud.
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  73. Bbb Mmm

    April 25, 2018 2:56 pm

    Obama did not bring up Rommey's religion because he easily won without it. If Romney runs again especially against Trump in the 2020 primary, it may be a different story.

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  74. Joseph Knight

    May 23, 2018 7:47 am

    See fatal flaws in the most correct book (the Book of Mormon) here = https://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Curious-Book-Blunder-1/dp/1986960064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527051511&sr=8-1&keywords=Mormon+a+curious+book

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  75. Moroni Baloney

    March 15, 2019 1:19 pm

    Mormonism has many of its own built-in gullibility tests. This is one of my favorites.
    One of the biggest things missing in Joseph Smith's "translations" is a source document. The Book of Mormon was allegedly translated from a language called "Reformed Egyptian" (which doesn't exist) and the plates just magically disappeared. There is another alleged "translation" that is lesser known: The " Inspired Translation" of the Bible (a.k.a. JST) is a collections of verses added to the Bible or changed in the Bible by Joseph Smith Jr. In some cases the changes that he makes are small, but one that really catches the eye is the book of Genesis, chapter 50. Joseph added several verses, alleged to be forgotten verses from the Old Testament that add prophecy about HIMSELF. That's right! Joseph Smith added a prophecy to Genesis chapter 50 about himself and by name. Here are some of the verses he added:

    JST Genesis 50 ( https://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst-gen/50.html?lang=eng) – try not to get too lost in the "fruit of thy loins" passages:

    "31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

    32 And out of weakness shall he be made strong, in that day when my work shall go forth among all my people, which shall restore them, who are of the house of Israel, in the last days.

    33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; AND His name SHALL BE CALLED JOSEPH, and it shall be AFTER THE NAME OF HIS FATHER; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation."

    What would you call a person named "Joseph" after the name of his father? Joseph Jr. Joseph Smith Jr. added his own verses to the Bible without a source document and included himself. If you believe this incredible coincidence of Joseph Smith finding lost verses about himself, you have been confirmed as being gullible. If Mormons would just take a few minutes and look at these kinds of obvious signs of fraud by Joseph Smith, they could avoid ending up in this cult.

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  76. Dennis Richardson

    May 22, 2019 12:23 am

    Democrats were conned more than republicans were, since Barack Obummer proved to be a greater liar. Trumps policies have proven to not only be different than Obummer, or Hillary but better than Obummer or Hillary. Now Obummer & Biden have tried to take credit for Trump's policies. Democratic voters have short memories & no brains.

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  77. Ogra E

    June 19, 2019 2:25 am

    Grew up poor; the only thing rich about Joseph was his imagination; and ability to con others.

    He copied other people's writings, stole money, killed a couple of men, took other men's wives (while some were still married), constantly lied, built a Temple with him as the praised man, dabbled in the occult; and deceived other's into Masonry. He had a large ego and appetite for fornication.

    Standard business model for modern-day schemers.

    Here's the icing: He believed the book of Mammon was true—-SO FAR AS IT WAS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY 🤣😂😂😂

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  78. Ogra E

    June 19, 2019 2:28 am

    Lehi's-in-it-knee-high😅

    Old Joe's scheme just get's worse…w-o-w.

    I just learned he actually drank alcohol, shot a couple of men dead and was caught without his magical undies on…which must've seriously stunk; having many blowflies with all the snapper he stole. I mean if he sealed anything – it was his magic pants!

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