3 common motorcycle beliefs that are WRONG!


this week on MC rider let’s look at
three common sayings that you often hear bikers say that are wrong hey my name is Kevin I’m the host here
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you’ll get notifications of every new video so the first thing you want to
look at that we often hear bikers say is the phrase I had the layer down and
that’s usually an excuse for poor braking skills and they have a crash and
they need an excuse and they say well I meant to do that anyway I meant to do that so my earlier years of writing I laid
one down and it was because of my lack of emergency braking skills that I laid
it down so let’s look at that phrase and we’ll talk about why it’s wrong and what
you can do to help overcome it so what are some problems with that whole phrase
if I had to lay her down well one of them is that you simply can’t just lay a
motorcycle down in motion there’s a lot of stuff going on you’ve got two dire
scopes underneath you that are keeping the motorcycle upright and as much as
you may try to push a motorcycle over to the side it’s simply not going to lay
down what you can do is lock the brakes up and cause a crash but that’s kind of
what we’re trying to avoid in the first place is having a crash but every time
you lay a motorcycle down you’re 100% guaranteed to have a crash the second
problem I have with this saying is that your motorcycle tires in emergency
braking are gonna stop a motorcycle a whole lot better than the seat of your
pants will so by using emergency braking and keeping a motorcycle upright you’re
doing a much better job of avoiding an accident or in a worst case lowering
your speed enough so that when you do have the impact it’s at a much lower
impact to you in the motorcycle so as a writer what can you do to avoid the old
I had the layer down thing well one of the first things you can do is when you
pick a motorcycle out find something that’s got ABS on it because abs is
going to help us in a lot of those panic situations if we grab the brakes or we
over brake on a stop or if the surface conditions are not ideal when we need to
stop abs is there is a backup to help in those situations
next you can practice emergency braking whether you’ve got a bike with ABS or
not you need to be on a parking lot and you need to keep that skill up with
emergency braking also you want to practice swerving because a lot of times
breaking is not the best option sometimes swerving or getting around the
obstacle is a better option and there’s another technique that we teach on the
field guide and we’ve got a video on this as well and that’s the brake and
escape so that’s where you use emergency braking and you scrub off as much speed
as possible but the distance is still too short to come to a complete stop so
then you release the brakes and you swerve around the object avoiding the
accident all together so all three of these skills are taught in Prior videos
and they’re also a part of the field guide where I’ve got practical exercises
that you can practice on any open parking lot and how you can set this up
and practice these skills on your own and avoid that I had to layer down quote
that we talked about earlier so the next phrase that we hear a lot of writers use
that is wrong is that they don’t like a motorcycle with ABS because ABS just
gets in the way well here’s a quote from the police motorcycle Road craft it’s a
police riders handbook and it says the quickest and shortest way to stop on a
good dry road is to brake to a point just before the wheels lock break as
firmly as possible with both brakes but avoid locking either will so if the
ideal manner in stopping a motorcycle in the shortest distance is to get the
tires right up to that point where they’ll lock up but don’t exceed that if
the tires are locking up or your abs is getting in the way you’re doing
something wrong with the technique because the only time that abs is going
to kick in is when your tires lock up on the pavement so let’s look at how abs
works ABS sits in the background if you don’t like a tire up you never know it’s
there it’s never gonna get in your way under normal Street riding conditions if
abs is getting in the way of you riding on the street
you either have bad braking technique or you’re riding too aggressively for the
Editions causing the ABS to have to kick in so if you’re riding on the street and
you feel like abs is getting in your way you need to honestly assess why you
think it’s getting in your way because it shouldn’t be activating at all if
you’re riding within the conditions that you’re allowed and you’re using proper
braking technique the third thing that we’ll look at that writers say that is
wrong is helmets cause neck injuries so where did this belief come from and
wasn’t just something that somebody made up there was actually a study in the 80s
by Jonathan P Goldstein that he did a statistic evaluation on the hurt report
and concluded from his studies that the size and weight and mass of a motorcycle
caused neck injuries that weren’t there in riders who were not riding with a
helmet so his conclusion was riding without a helmet reduced the number of
neck injuries well the findings of this original study back in the 80s have not
been replicated in any other study and in fact there’s been numerous studies
since then who have come to a different conclusion in fact using a larger sample
data much more accidents than what the original study used they’ve shown that
neck injuries are actually less in riders wearing a helmet
than those that are not wearing a helmet but let’s remember that helmets also
protect us for more than just neck injuries they also protect us from
traumatic head injuries and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
has estimated that riders with the helmet are 35 percent less likely to die
an accident and traumatic brain injury is reduced by
67 percent so above and beyond just neck injuries we also have to look at head
injuries in how helmets affect or don’t affect those types of injuries as well
so in doing my research for this video I looked at several studies and the best
one that I found I’ve got a link to it at
searider dot-com / helmet – study if you want to go there it’ll Ford you on to
the study where you can look at the helmets impact on neck injuries and head
injuries and make a decision on your own but it seems that that early study that
a lot of people quote that I think is justification to them for not wearing a
helmet has been disputed and been disputed in numerous studies since then
that the conclusion of that original study is is wrong so where do I come
down personally on the whole idea of wearing a motorcycle helmet well I
believe that studies conclusively show that helmets save lives and I believe
that that is the intelligent decision in writing a motorcycle is for me to wear a
full-face helmet it offers me the best protection and is going to increase my
odds of coming out of that accident or a crash in a better situation because I’ve
got a full face helmet on but I also believe in individual rights and I’ll
support a rider’s right to make a bad decision I believe they have a right to
do so but I also believe that I have a responsibility to provide the facts and
the facts are that a motorcycle helmet does not increase the odds of a neck
injury or at least those studies are in dispute but what’s not in dispute is
that motorcycle helmets reduce greatly the number of traumatic head injuries
and deaths in riders who wear helmets so you’ve got the information on it it’s
your choice to make an intelligent decision and what to do from here so
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100 Responses

  1. mrvoyagerm

    February 27, 2019 2:10 am

    When I was a lad, I went around a street corner that looked totally fine except I didn't know it had calcium dust control tracked all over the pavement from a nearby construction site. Slippery as wet ice. When I got up, I was grateful my older brother made me put on his cool leather jacket before heading out that night. Unfortunately the jacket had suffered a bit, but I had only a few bruises and no road rash. Thankfully no one drove over me as I crossed the road (and over the curb) on my belly like Superman. Now days when it gets too hot out to wear all that gear, I take the truck!

  2. Steve White

    March 5, 2019 6:05 pm

    Even a low speed crash can kill you if you are not wearing a helmet. In fact, the lack of forward momentum presents the opportunity for your head's initial contact with the pavement to be as hard as or harder than falling at a higher speed. I've been riding on the streets of Dallas, Texas since 1979. I've travelled to 24 states on 2 wheels (not a trailer, ever!) The closest I ever came to dying on a motorcycle was when I was going 10 mph. Legally, the collision with a pickup was not my fault. However, I knew better than to be in the left lane of a one way street as I approached an intersection just as the light was just turning green when I was not planning to turn left (even though it was not a turn-only lane.) Fatboys don't lean very far, so when the pickup beside me started to turn left, I saw it coming but he turned sharp and I was almost able to turn inside him. He hit me at about his rearview mirror. The rider hits the ground as hard as the bike. I probably wasn't even going 10 mph anymore at the time of impact from the truck, but it's hard to estimate the speed at which I was thrown to the ground. Both elbows hit the asphalt. My path was clear and I kept my head up as I slid on my stomach and elbows about 10 feet away from my bike. Leather coat, boots, chaps, 2 gauntlets and gloves protect skin, and even bone to some extent, but it doesn't really slide too well, so the stop was abrupt. In that situation, some might be lucky enough, but no man is strong enough to hold his head up. My head hit the asphalt like the end of a whip, fast and hard – very hard. I was wearing a DOT approved, Harley Davidson half helmet (skull cap.) I didn't feel a thing. I didn't even feel or hear an impact of my brain hitting my skull (which makes a very loud noise.) It was about 10 minutes later that I felt the broken right radial head in my elbow. No neck or head injury or even the slightest pain. With my own good sense, I saved my own life when I put on a helmet. Law is irrelevant. Blaming the other driver/rider doesn't put the skin back on the bones. You are responsible for your own safety.

  3. Twinstick Wizard

    March 7, 2019 1:17 am

    Personally I won’t ride with anyone who won’t wear a helmet. Your choice but not while I am around.

  4. rayworx

    March 8, 2019 12:31 am

    Just like other tru-isms… nothing is ever completely true. Concerning the 'had to lay it down' saying. I was riding in Northern California and I faced a problem of heading into a tight decreasing radius turn that had sand/gravel on the outside of the turn. Beyond the sand/gravel was a @400ft drop with no barrier. I knew that I was in trouble so determined that skidding on locked up wheels (this was pre-ABS -82 CB900F) would be worse than increasing my traction by laying down the bike. I was correct and saved myself from a traumatic injury.
    The other saying that is not completely true is that wearing helmets reduces injuries. Ahhhh I didn't say head injuries. An unnamed study (unnamed by me because I don't recall the author of the study) found that full face helmets had an increased likelihood of injuries to collarbones. Given the choice between severe brain trauma or a broken collarbone…. I'll take the broken collarbone any day. But there are the potential outcomes that helmets can cause injuries. I'm a believer in helmets and do not believe that the general population should take the chance of severe brain trauma; leaving them in a lifetime coma and vegetative state for years…. on the taxpayers tab. So if the rider has …. lets say a billion dollar policy…. then they can ride without a helmet.

  5. Clearanceman2

    March 9, 2019 6:12 pm

    People lay the bike down when they could have avoided a crash if they kept it upright. Someone needs to let people know that bikes don't work as well sliding on their sides as they do when the tires are in contact with the road.

  6. Michael J Pidd

    March 13, 2019 9:56 pm

    Not wearing a space suit on the moon helps reduce chafing. Especially around the top of your thighs.

  7. Paul Crocker

    March 14, 2019 3:12 am


  8. Ellenor Bovay

    March 16, 2019 5:57 pm

    You must be hanging out with the wrong crowd if they are telling you helmets cause neck injuries. But if you ride a Harley, you are in the wrong crowd by definition.

  9. Larry Bowers

    March 19, 2019 5:20 am

    Here’s another one Kevin, “Loud Pipes Save Lives” (not as much as a good loud horn) Why? Because the danger is usually in front or beside you, and all the noise your making is trailing behind you. As for a helmet, my head is one bone I definitely can’t afford to break!

  10. David Kuhn

    March 21, 2019 11:31 am

    Well I did have a situation once when riding Mountain Bikes along ridges in Malibu… I had to decide between "laying her down" or riding off a cliff (true story bro!). Oh wait… I was riding too fast… and I entered the corner wide with a poor plan for getting through the corner… and I target fixated on the cliff…

  11. Nervotica !

    March 24, 2019 2:26 am

    I laid my GSXR750 down. She got out of her tinbox and asked: Is there something i can do for you? I answered: Give me a $million… She disappeared like lighting!

  12. Coach Red Pill

    March 26, 2019 7:06 am

    “Not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle improves the gene pool.” There! Fixed it for ya, Kevin!

  13. george vlahandreas

    March 27, 2019 1:58 pm

    The only thing ABS gets in the way of is losing control and crashing. And on the helmet issue, I live in a state without a helmet law but I would not get on my bike without one on. Not smart for you, or fair for the loved ones that will have to change your dippers, feed you or wipe the drool off your face for the rest of your life… that is if you survive the crash…
    Kevin, you are always correct. Keep up the great job.

  14. Nack

    March 28, 2019 4:41 pm

    This guy makes so much sense . I have been riding ( in the U.K. ) since i was old enough to obtain a licence . Am now 76 years old , and survived several accidents . We're NEVER too old to stop learning .

  15. john kendall

    March 28, 2019 8:24 pm

    I only ,laid her down, once and it sure wasn't on purpose . I was in a very tight left hand turn, accelerating away from a red light when a car pulled out from the right hand curb right in my path. I'm not sure if I even hit the brakes at all, only chopped the throttle. Next thing I knew I was spinning around in a circle. The bike had a crash bar that kept my leg from being crushed or hurting the bike.

  16. John Hughes

    March 31, 2019 10:21 am

    You are wrong. I have had to lay my bike down before. A woman pulled out in front of me. There was no time to brake correctly,as you say. It was either T-Bone her or lock it and drop it. I opted to lay it down. Less damage to me AND my bike. Road rash is easier to overcome than broken bones and/or death. So no,it's not wrong to say I had to lay it down. I'm 65 and have been riding since I was 11. There are situations out there that are unavoidable. I'm sure YOU haven't seen or experienced all of them.

  17. 40mmrrsmith

    March 31, 2019 2:04 pm

    MCrider, what you are telling people about safety is correct. I am not trying to troll you but I disagree with one thing. You absolutely can "lay" a bike down. It's simple just counter steer until you hear metal scraping. I guess you would call that causing the bike to crash but it is what is meant by laying her down. I came around a corner way too fast in the Chisos mountains and there was a car taking up both lanes. Due to poor braking skills at the time I locked up the back wheel and couldn't stop and had to go around the car on the one foot or so shoulder. I was headed off the side of the mountain towards a huge drop off. I could not stop because I was headed straight down and the tires were bouncing off the ground. I spotted a large Boulder, aimed for it and countersteered until the bike was low enough for me to roll off. The bike stopped before the boulder. I didn't have a scratch. The bike had a broken mirror, turn signal and windshield, slightly bent handlebars and a tiny scratch on the gas tank. I rode it the last 2 days of the trip and back to Houston from Big Ben.
    Edit: I didn't wear a helmet back then. I rode over 35 years without a helmet including the (80s?) when there was a mandatory helmet law in Texas. I wear a helmet all the time these days. But no one could or will ever convince me that I should have worn a helmet back then because I survived, proving otherwise. Yeah everyone should wear helmet….or not. A person is no more crazy for not wearing a helmet then they are for riding a motorcycle period.

  18. H82Bpor

    March 31, 2019 10:19 pm

    You do a great job, I am a restarted rider from my youth. I now use a full face helmet and full gloves and shopping for some pants on revzeilla, all because of you. I have noticed that when I ride now I see everything! I might be to cautious. I start my M/C class at the end of may, 3 day class

  19. Greg p

    April 1, 2019 3:36 pm

    I used to practice throwing my Honda sideways at 75 mph, and locking up both wheels. I doubt with a heavy awkward Harley you could even do such a thing. You can brake and stop a motorcycle in less than half the distance of a car. If a bike has ABS, I'm not going to buy or ride it, stupid as seat belts on a bike. Unfastened helmets are the same thing as no helmets.

  20. Bike Dude

    April 2, 2019 12:21 pm

    I had to lay it down. I have always told my students that you may not be able to avoid all accidents but with proper emergency braking it will mean that you may/will hit an object at 10-15MPH instead of sliding into it uncontrollably at 30-50MPH. Add to it emergency swerving and you may be able to avoid the object all together. Just remember that you can't do both at the same time. Brake as long as you can, then swerve around the object (if possible). I had an incident several years ago where the other vehicle seems intent on hitting me. I braked, he stopped and when I tried to go around him he moved back in my way. Thankfully, I had adjusted my trajectory enough that I was still able to avoid him.

  21. C J Mueller

    April 4, 2019 2:44 am

    When you “lay it down”, you give up ALL control of the motorcycle. This technique is not taught in police motor school for that reason.
    “Laying it down” is what I call “Uncle Harry” advice. It kind of goes with the old adage, “Possession is 9 points of the law”. After 45 years of Law Enforcement, I still don’t know what that means.
    Great video, as always!

  22. Henrik Österberg

    April 5, 2019 8:31 am

    Re ABS: I think you overlook how ABS works on most vehicles. Most ABS work by lowering brakepressure as you lock the wheel and this actually means you are almost never using the maximum friction of the tire that you will get just prior to a lockup.
    Highshool physics: The coefficient of static friction is usually greater than the kinetic one.

    I still think ABS is the way to go, especially on a bike where locking a wheel can really make things a lot more exciting than you might want.
    Quotes like that police rider's handbook remind me a lot of people who used to diss frontwheel drive on cars by saying "with rearwheel drive you can just control the skids with the throttle" as they are actually true but only a very small part of the population actually maintain the skills necessary to use it.

  23. DORU HUM

    April 5, 2019 8:48 am

    One more thing would be.. leaning to take the turn… which is wrong, bikes got handle bars to be used.


    April 7, 2019 1:17 am

    You're 'spot on' MCrider!
    Many years ago I had a crash while riding my racing bicycle. The hard foam helmet shattered….my head didn't. My doctor (another racer) said I would most likely would have died.
    Now at 77 years of age and riding motorcycles, I don't even get on the bike without a full face helmet.

  25. Graeme Callander

    April 14, 2019 2:54 pm

    I don't have an excuse, I just don't want to wear a helmet. Who's business is it exactly, other than mine?

  26. Tungstun

    April 14, 2019 8:07 pm

    Try running (with your legs) at a blistering speed of 12 miles per hour and purposely ramming a brick wall with your head. Then tell me if you need a helmet. LOL. And that’s only 12 miles per hour.

  27. Joe Troutt

    April 17, 2019 1:53 am

    Oh what we would have done before abs braking. I guess learned how to stop the way the police manual says to do.
    Don't get me wrong abs was a great invention but the sensors fail and even cause the tire to lock up. (Happened to me on a car I once owned) I say learn it the old fashion way so if you ever are in that situation you'll be able to handle the bike better. Yes abs is great in the rain. Not gonna deny the advantage there.

  28. Tim Schjei

    April 21, 2019 8:51 pm

    Wearing a helmet while driving a car would reduce head injuries during accidents quite a bit more than motorcycles (because a lot more people drive cars), but lawmakers do not want to wear a helmet while driving their cars, so they don't bring it up.

  29. Currier/Marr

    April 23, 2019 4:00 am

    Both times I went down I was glad I had a helmet on. Both were 10 -20 mph turns where I hit a slippery surface. Both times I distinctly remember hearing the loud bonk of helmet hitting the pavement. Both times I was like "That could have been my skull". Both times I went and picked the bike up and continued riding. Both times I really hated having to garbage can a perfectly good looking $200+ helmet and getting a new one. BTW…"both" is my favorite word. :~ )

  30. Martin - the Overlapper Rapper

    April 23, 2019 2:39 pm

    Definitely true, that a helmet reduces injuries in an accident. One problem: Wearing a helmet can increase probability for accidents for two reasons: Lack of concentration, reduced field of view and reduced field of sound too. Lets get some better helmets! And keep safety distance at all times, not only forwards but sideways too! Lastly, don't let your eyes and head leave the front facing position, unless you are virtually standing still. Anyone with me on this?

  31. Ted Biker

    April 23, 2019 3:30 pm

    Overall, I completely agree. But in Britain, helmets are compulsory, and I don't agree with, as you say, removing the individual right to choose. Regarding 'full face' helmets, I like to feel the wind sometimes. I have a helmet with a lifting front which gives full protection from weather and so on, but I can lift the whole front if I'm stopped in traffic, for example.

  32. George Bowman

    April 26, 2019 9:32 pm

    I use a full face HJC IS 17. I won't get on the bike without it! I have a spare I carry with me in case I need to give that special someone a lift!

  33. john macdonald

    May 2, 2019 1:54 pm

    I thought for sure I would the hear " when in doubt, throttle out" maybe that's something I say to people describing sand on a dirt bike, or tank slappers on my gixxer.

  34. ncjay08

    May 7, 2019 8:17 pm

    Aside from the main reason to wear a helmet, my secondary reason for full face helmet use is rocks, insects, and other assorted debris. I spend far too much time listening to things bouncing off my face shield and/or helmet. I don't know how you guys that wear open face helmets do it. There is also the occasional bird that likes to be a problem. Close calls but no impacts so far. Heck, even if I tied your hands behind your back and pushed you over while standing still, would you want to be wearing a helmet or not? In the past 30 years or so, I'd also like to think we've made some huge advancements over fiberglas helmets with styrofoam in them.

  35. GrtSatan

    May 12, 2019 9:03 pm

    My neck was injured by my helmet in my last serious crash; I was somehow strangled by the strap resulting in a throat injury that required surgery. This presented a challenge to my attorney when he was trying to determine fair compensation because he couldn't find another example of this occurring. Rare, possibly unprecedented, but possible. Nothing whatsoever to do with the mass of the helmet, and I wouldn't be caught dead riding without one.

  36. lostro one

    May 13, 2019 6:49 pm


  37. qdllc

    May 17, 2019 11:38 am


    I had a guy watch my riding and the first thing he pointed out was that I didn't know how to use my front brake. He had me practice stopping the bike from 45 mph over and over using just the front brake until I knew how hard I could hit the brakes without locking the front wheel. Cooked a tire and set of pads that day, but by the end, I was bringing the rear wheel off the ground without locking the front. That "confidence" in my brakes and tires would later help in avoiding potential accidents, and it's a lesson I teach others to do if they are a new rider…practice emergency braking using just the front brake (instinctively, we use the front but don't always remember to use the rear AND in an emergency stop, most of the braking power will be centered on the front wheel). Learn how effectively (or not) your front brakes perform under controlled conditions so you instinctively know how much you can trust them in an emergency.

    Likewise, along with the last point, ABS is a great tool, but whether you have ABS or not, learning how to brake with maximum efficiency is very important. For cars and bikes, people are not taught about incipient spin and incipient skid…thresholds where your tires break traction with the road. Knowing how to sense these things when they happen will tell you via feedback what's going on. You correct a spinout/skid by simply easing off the gas/brake until the tires regain traction and maintaining control.

  38. Bill Allen

    May 19, 2019 5:37 pm

    The brain does compress against the inside of your skull. That's a concussion. A headache occurs when this happens slowly with little force. Scrambled brains occur when this happens quickly with great force. Helmets can reduce the speed of this reaction and force on the brain- skull collision and resulting damage to your brain. The hard fracturable outer shell, progressively compressible styrofoam, and soft padding slows the brain impact. The degree of protection is related to the quality and fit of the helmet, the speed of initial travel before collision, and the speed your head is going when it (or your helmet) contacts an immovable object. Big big swing in factors and results. From "walking away" to "meat wagon" is influenced by wearing a helmet or not. I wear mine.

  39. Michael Moretti

    May 26, 2019 12:15 am

    The only time ABS would ever "get in my way" would be if I was dirt-biking or drifting (flat-track style). On the road, EVERYONE should be riding with ABS if they have that option.

  40. Steve W

    May 26, 2019 10:19 am

    Kevin, I heartily congratulate you on your video series. As a rider with more than 45 years experience, and current Goldwing owner,, I regularly learn new skills from your videos that help me to avoid accidents and injury. Keep up the good work my friend!

  41. Sombra da Árvore gif do Crackdown

    May 29, 2019 6:02 am

    I don't know whether in the US it is mandatory to wear a helmet, but here in Brazil it is completely illegal do ride any motorcycle without a helmet.

  42. PigIron BigIron

    May 31, 2019 4:45 am

    Wearing a helmet is a great idea, but let's face it, freedom comes with risk.. If we really wanted to eliminate motorcycle injuries 100%, we would ban motorcycles.

  43. Jesse Davis

    June 4, 2019 10:30 am

    Great review. I've had a few accidents in my 35 years of riding with most occurring in the first 5 years. Now I ride defensively and always assume that motorists around me will do the wrong thing, I leave a 3 second gap with the motorist in front, I don't ride along side vehicles in multiple lane roads, and I approach corners more carefully. Unfortunately, it took a long time to learn these things.

  44. Stephen Crowther

    June 6, 2019 9:22 pm


  45. Ed in Florida

    June 7, 2019 1:22 pm

    The Goldstein Study has legs:  ABATE used it for years in its battle against helmet laws.

  46. Brad Rigg

    June 11, 2019 1:40 pm

    I have only heard of one plausible case of “laying the bike down” and that was from 4 time 500cc world champion Eddie Lawson.
    He suffered front brake failure at high speed and just before hitting a barrier he laid the bike down as a last resort to help lessen the impact of the crash.

  47. Wild Bill

    June 14, 2019 5:43 am

    I've always said that some are born to ride and some are not. Those that are not will definitely screw up a sudden emergency situation and either get killed or seriously injured. In these spur of the moment life or death situations you either have the instincts to do the right thing or you don't. If you have to think……..its too late. You lose those precious fractions of a second that will make or break you.

  48. The Night Rider gwr

    June 18, 2019 11:31 am

    MCrider, my brother you have some of the best videos out there about Motorcycle skills and thrills and how you should handle your bike weather it is stopping & turning skills. Man, I'm certainly impressed and always eager to watch more. Thank you so much and keep it up!

  49. Greg Halford

    June 18, 2019 3:41 pm

    I am a helmet wearer I wear a full face with flip up chin piece. And had to have two disc removed from my neck and wonder if it was due to a motorcycle accident or wearing the helmet that might have contributed to the bad disk. In either case nothing was reported. I will still wear my helmet regardless.

  50. Thejeepdoctor

    June 23, 2019 3:21 pm

    I’ve always worn a helmet and said, what is your brain worth? 10 cents or the cost of a good helmet?

  51. Harold Clark

    June 27, 2019 11:48 pm

    Wearing a white full face helmet makes you much easier to spot in traffic, so a helmet can not only protect you in a crash, it can make it less likely you will be in a crash. We all know, or should know, that most car/motorcycle collisions are caused by the car driver who always claims that he didn't see the motorcyclist.

  52. J Sixx

    July 2, 2019 7:26 pm

    In the 50s, brakes were so bad, that locking up the rear brake was inevitable. Dad was a CHP rider and they trained “laying Er down,” into the 60s.

  53. midwestarcher

    July 3, 2019 1:37 pm

    My wife and I was in an accident this past May. My face shield fogged up even though I treated with anti fog treatments. It only fogged on outside of shield – windshield did not fog. We were in the apex of a curve – not a serious curve – when this happened had no option but to ride it out in a muddy grassy ditch entering at 70 mph.
    Before and breaking or downshifting could happen bike high sided…wife thrown off I stay with bike as it flipped..
    We had leather chaps, leather jacket, leather vests, gloves, and HELMETS..
    We walked away with bruises LEO and EMS (called by witnesses to accident) were surprised on arrival we were up and walking… only thing we could say was "We dress for the slide NOT the ride!" not having the helmets could have made things worse…just though I would share…

  54. exexpat11

    July 7, 2019 3:41 am

    Never heard any of these. Loud pipes save lives. I don't wear a helmet because I want to hear what is around me. You are less likely to kill yourself on a small bike. No! No! And NO!

  55. Thomas Wozencraft

    July 9, 2019 9:10 pm

    Sorry, my son wore a 3/4 helmet. Had orange vest on. Doing 45 in a 55. No skin showing. Van pulled in front of him. When head is doing 45, then suddenly stopped, guess what, the brain kept going. Comatose for 9 days, worst 9 of my life. He was Active Military, 20 yrs. old. I'm not on board with the helmet saves everyone. For I know it doesn't.

  56. Mark Williams

    July 11, 2019 1:16 pm

    Kevin, I've been riding from the age of 13 (63 now).  Ride both on-road & off.  Just started watching your videos, and all I will say at this time is; Thanks and keep putting out the good information.

  57. Miguel Rivero Colado

    July 18, 2019 1:28 pm

    Kevin, thanks for sharing and providing information to us to make our desition! you are correct, you had provided us with information and it to our desition to make the last call. Thanks.

  58. Jim Kubitza

    July 22, 2019 3:09 pm

    There ARE times when it is wise to lay a motorcycle down. Say you find pea gravel strewn all over a corner at 95 mph. Your bike is sliding towards the edge of the pavement and is deffiniately going to leave the road no matter what you do. It is as if you are on marbles. you know that soon as those tires leave the pavement and hit the dirt at the edge that you are going over the high side. You can either get thrown over the high side and end up flying like Super Man headed for a belly landing and likely have the flying bike land on you after you have already gotten all busted up by that landing … or lay the bike down, separate yourself from the bike, slide along the pavement to slow yourself down a bit before leaving the road like a nickle fling off a 45 rpm phonograph record. Never MIND WHY you were doing 95 … too late for that, here you are, what do you do? THIS HAPPENED TO ME! On a heavy BMW RT 1150. If I hadn't have come up from riding dirt bikes and had those reflexes and known how to get that bike laid down I wouldn't be writing this 'cause I would be dead.

  59. Max Lutz

    August 11, 2019 9:08 am

    An ABS will increase the stopping distance compared to a perfect manual breaking slightly because of the way it works. So if you are an exceptional rider it may get in your way. Without correcting for the Dunning-Kruger effect that will be the case for about 90% of the riders. It may also get in your way with maneuvers the rely on locking a break. I ride an ADV so there are some offroad situations were no ABS would be better (which may be the reason for having a switch to ABS off for the rear break). When my ABS kicks in during emergency breaking it is not neccessarily a mistake. It is utilizing the bike´s breaking capability. I agree though that frequently getting into a situation that requires emergency breaking calls for a change in strategy or situational awareness.
    Helmets add some weight and leverage. Some helmets in the 80s also had a geometry that would the helmet to snag. So wearing a helmet may have caused neck injuries that would not have happened without the helmet. That does not mean that the people would have survived without helmet. You kind of pointed that out. A key experience for me was a presentation on a conference on trauma care in the late 80s. At that point in time seat belts in cars were in discussion for causing injuries that would not have happend without belt. The victim crashed with his car at about 30 mph. Wearing the seat belt would – probably – have broken the clavicle and 3 or 4 ribs. It may also have caused whiplash. The victim did not wear the belt and did not suffer a broken rib or clavicle (the presenter made a well timed pause to let that sink in). The impact to the steering column fractured the sternum and the impact to the windshield shattered the facial bone structure and broke the skull. The pictures after the emergency treatment showed something that did not resemble a human face. The pictures that showed the result after years and literally dozen of surgeries made Quasimodo look like a really handsome guy.
    So yes, wearing safety gear may cause injuries you might not have suffered otherwise. Almost always the result will still be much better than the result without the gear.

  60. Gabriel Ralls

    August 18, 2019 8:23 am

    I’m sorry mate, but your research has been pretty bad on this one.
    Obviously a helmet will increase neck injuries because is harder to support due to the additional weight, and the other main reason why neck injuries will increase is because more people survive. A big crash with no helmet probably means death, but a helmet may mean that all the rider suffers is a neck injury!
    And you’re also wrong about ABS, the whole idea behind it was to enable a vehicle to turn whilst braking, therefore if you try to brake and swerve rather than crashing you can achieve this (in theory) safely. It is an indisputable fact that ABS will increase stopping distance in, but increases safely hugely due to the ability to turn whilst braking.

  61. Cerebral Kaos

    August 26, 2019 11:49 pm

    When we were teenagers we all had motorbikes and usually wore helmets when riding, however one time one of my friends was showing off to a two girls who were walking past our yard by popping wheel stands. He hurriedly got onto his bike without his helmet and during the stunt flipped the bike, knocked himself out and after the ambulance arrived he was taken straight to hospital. Had an acquired brain injury from the accident and undertook months of rehab…. The one time he didn't put on his helmet.

    Great video as always Kev!

  62. 2Timone7

    August 27, 2019 5:26 pm

    I agree.  If you want to choose to not wear a helmet, fine.  Just make the decision and own it, don't make crap up to support your decision.

  63. Dude On Bike

    August 27, 2019 6:07 pm

    The helmet neck injury claim is analogous to people choosing to forgo the seat belt. "I would rather be thrown clear of the wreckage!" is the common refrain. You mean your lifeless body? Yeah, sure! Or you prefer to be half-ejected as the car rolls and crushes you? Wow, sounds great!

    LOVE the Pee Wee clip! There's actually a guy here in Oakland with a FULL Pee Wee Herman getup: full replica bike, obligatory massive chain hanging out the pannier, and he rides around in the grey suit! He's a kick! Only see him occasionally. Still one of my favorite movies.

  64. Michael Coulter

    September 11, 2019 12:53 am

    I am a Psychiatric Technician and unfortunately come into contact with psychiatric patients whose condition is a direct result of not wearing a motorcycle helmet while riding. There lifes and the lifes of there family's gave been destroyed because they choose to "feel the wind in there hair " and not protect their brains.

  65. ride fast don't die!

    September 18, 2019 12:03 am

    I love when grown adult mature friends are like "i would never ride a motorcycle, i would end up killing myself!" Like really you have no sense of self control not to give it full throttle and ride into a wall?!? I always chuckle when i hear that one 😆.

  66. [email protected]#Guilt

    September 21, 2019 5:43 am

    #3. full face helmets reduce wind interference and make the ride more comfortable, the most important thing to avoiding issues. I will never ride with anything but a full face helmet. why? cause my face would be in the wind for many many hours. and that sucks. avoiding a crash is far better than surviving a crash.

  67. David White

    September 27, 2019 3:51 pm

    I am a BRC – MTC (MSF/TCT) certified instructor. I have had students ask why we don't teach how to safely lay the bike down. My first response is that there is no "safe" way to do that. My next response is if putting the bike on the ground is your only option, you did every up that point completely wrong.

  68. Al J

    September 28, 2019 10:34 pm

    Thank you for these videos and the straight forward information and techniques. In Texas it's Hot and Humid, BUT full gear every day EVERY TIME. Whether you're going around the corner down the road cross town or cross country. Riding gloves protects your hands, boots, riding jacket ( MESH breathes ) full face helmet. ALWAYS. I've had front end wash out in a turn and slide across 6 lane intersection. Thank god for safety gear or my arm would have been dogmeat. I always use safety gear every day EVERY TIME.

  69. Anadia Shark

    October 6, 2019 7:21 pm

    I hared of only one bike that neck injuries are more likley when wearing helmet, and that's the BMW C1 that has seat belt, and shell around the rider.
    P.S. Also if you are concerned about neck injuries there is a solution for that, that has been around for ages, its a neck brace.

  70. James Morrison

    October 14, 2019 2:22 am

    I didn't let her down I come up to a red light to stop and the next thing I know I'm on the ground I had hit some oil in the center of the road there and it just slid out and lay down very gently I might add

  71. GeekOfAllness

    October 28, 2019 1:54 am

    ABS can absolutely get in the way of a good driver. I've never driven a motorcycle with ABS or played hard with a newer car with ABS, so hopefully ABS in those cases is a lot better than the older stuff I've played with. But 90's ABS was almost universally crap and 00's ABS was very hit or miss.

    First, older ABS tends to be designed for ice, oil, etc. and might work great there (which is where we'd want it to work if it only works in one place), while not working on pavement or dirt so well. So the ABS simply can't be trusted to work at all, and having it makes it difficult to know whether to trust it or not, where not having it means you know to just do it manually.

    Second, I'm perfectly capable of releasing the brakes when I lock up a wheel. The problem is when I release the brakes as the ABS is trying to unlock the wheel, then the ABS gets confused. I've had ABS keep the wheel locked up without me having any ability to prevent it, and I've had ABS go into "ice mode" so I had basically no brakes at all. What would have been slightly embarrassing suddenly becomes an emergency situation because ABS sucked.

    Third, ABS is not a substitute for good driving and having ABS can cause complacency. I had a car with actually decent ABS. I came into a corner too hot (didn't think about the early morning dew on new, oily tarmac) and locked up all four wheels trailbraking mid-corner. The car started sliding out and I started getting off the brakes. The ABS kicked in and unlocked the wheels before I could react, so I slid to the edge of my lane instead of being halfway into the next lane, yay. But I needed to change into the inside lane and ABS simply wouldn't let the car turn that hard. Once my foot came off the brake and manually unlocked the wheels, steering worked normally and I changed into the inside lane and everything was good.

    Obviously, motorcycles aren't as forgiving as cars when you lock up wheels, so bad ABS isn't likely to have as notable an effect as it would on a car (if you engage bad ABS while turning, you were likely to crash anyways, while engaging bad ABS on a car might cause a crash that would otherwise have been easily avoided). But the fact remains that bad ABS can be far worse than no ABS in some cases. Again, I haven't had the opportunity to play with a lot of newer cars, or motorcycles of any decade, to test the ABS. So maybe the concerns here are no longer warranted, and the issue is outdated information rather than bad ABS.

    But I've taken numerous cars out and tested the ABS with very few of them performing well on concrete or tarmac. I've not been in ice or snow enough to have a good sample set there, but even 90's cars seem to be decent in those conditions. So the statement that ABS gets in the way is not entirely unfounded. (All that being said, I'm sure there are a lot of people who seriously just don't understand that locked up wheels are bad when avoiding an accident. Less than an hour ago I talked to a guy who had this exact concern with one of his cars.)

  72. BigBlack 420i

    November 7, 2019 1:50 pm

    I like the fact that you brought up the issue with the helmets in this video. And I agree with you. The only time I've ever gotten injured by my helmet. Was because of my visor. If my visor was loose and I'm on the highway? The visor will shoot farther open and it's supposed to and catch unwanted are. That extra wind resistance the visor was making cause extra stress on my neck cuz the helmet wanted to pull back from the top. My opinion is to check your helmet equipment and the make sure your advisor is working properly and tight to prevent any injury such as what I had. PS sorry for any bad grammar. I'm talking through my cell phone LOL

  73. opichocal

    November 28, 2019 8:39 am

    I’ve wrecked twice and had my helmet smack the ground. I’m pretty sure it saved me from becoming a vegetable or 6 feet under. I cringe every time I see someone riding around without a helmet or even wearing a half helmet. I can imagine my face grinding across the pavement so I put that brain bucket on every time!


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